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Tish Osborne Licensed Real Estate Agent,  New Port Richey,  FL

Date: April 13, 2012

Bob, you wrote:

"This is why the founding fathers built into the Declaration of Independence a fail safe system. First and foremost came freedom of speech, next freedom defend the first, the second amendment. Each amendment is designed to protect the citizen from an over bearing CEO or President of the collective.

The Constitution is the document with the amendments and led off by the Bill of Rights. It begins:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Bob followed with:

"You need to understand the Constitution before you will ever understand the value system behind it. In true Capitalism each parties moral obligation is to seek their own happiness."

In the second graph of the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

The word 'happiness' does not appear in the Constitution.



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Peter Miller Writing/Editing

Date: April 13, 2012

Hi --


Rich says: Let's do the math. RP is at 11% in the GOP primary. (Not counting the dems that support him.) Gary is at about 9% on his own in national polls. When RP drops out, his supporters should come home to the LP. And, with 40% of the American people unhappy with either party, I think 15% is doable and we are on the ballot in all 50 states.
You don't want to see Gary in the debates?

I disagree. Ron Paul has gotten 11 percent of the vote from the individuals most likely to vote for him. He is the Ralph Nader of the Republican Party in terms of broad appeal.

I would prefer to see Gary in the Republican primaries where he has been denied an opportunity to express his views.

But, there is first a problem to solve: How does Gary deal with the current battle for ownership of the libertarian Cato Institute. The koch bothers who are trying to buy Cato. Is Gary pro-Koch purchase or anti-Koch purchase?


All the best,


Peter G. Miller

OurBroker.com



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Robert King Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Saint Petersburg,  FL

Date: April 13, 2012

The typical left wing diversion from Paul Silver...
"The rate Romney paid reflects his entire income tax paid... it is
part capital gains, part deferred interest... but it is the total income tax
rate for his earnings, since he made no other income that year...
As if the rate Romney paid actually makes any difference. Does anybody in this room really care what Romney paid last year in TAX? Does it really make a difference if he paid 20% more? Let's cut to the future chase scene. The year is 2025.
Everybody that pays under 50% now pays 50% flat rate and everybody paying over 50% will have their taxes reduced to 50%. Now everybody is paying the same rate, right? We remove all deductions, we remove all state taxes, property taxes and any other fees such as parking ticket fees, sales taxe fees no homeowner deductions, no earned income credit, no 1040, 1040a maybe just the EZ form. All... in exchange for 50/50 on the dollar income TAX across the board, all under one roof the Federal Government. You think the Federal Government could be run on a deal like that? Every dollar earned or inherited pay 50% to the FEDS.
Nobody gets an incentive not even the married, not even the HUD property owners or the Grocery or corner market profiteers on EBT and SNAP cards. Actually let's take it to the next level, who's counting anyway, right?
Government issues 4G phones to every legitimate citizen of the United States, this will solve immigration with no suspicious profiling because legitimate citizens only get 4G, yeah maybe a wee bit discrimination but not enough to get excited about, right? This way, when ever the collective SHOP TO DROP they pay by scanning their phone, if there is a lower price available through a competitor then the lowest price prevails @ the point of sale, the customer is always guaranteed the lowest possible price. This way there is no scalping of prices. Actually if you think about it there is NO COMPETITION PERIOD so we solve the GREED PROBLEM. But then... why did we get an education degree if there IS NO COMPETITION? But think (((exchange))) think... no more GREED, no more PRICE FIXING, no more theft of your hard earned money, because there will be nothing to work hard at, no inequality in commissions. And to put icing on Tish's and Paul's insanity we offer one subsidy in exchange for ALL SUBSIDIES. The Federal Government underwrites all Crud Oil Imports to 1960 barrel prices. Just like the Banksters think 3.88% 30 year mortgages will solve the Real Estate Melt down. Whoa... am I really onto something? Actually this is a pretty short diatribe from good ole BOB. Let's just have some fun people, let's not loose our since of humor, how tragic.
Robert L. King
Saint Petersburg, Florida

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Robert King Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Saint Petersburg,  FL

Date: April 13, 2012

LOL! I love ya man (Rich Hudson) "Or, Robert, America can go the route of the British regarding taxes. In which case, the Second Amendment would come into play"
All issues can be solved at the end of a muzzle, when first amendment rights fail, this was why the framers wrote the second amendment. Isn't that what's happening in Sanford Florida? The Collective has finally roared and the locals (law enforcement) are following through. But you know, I really don't have a dog in this fight. This is not about white on black this is about HISPANIC on AFRO AMERICAN. It will be interesting to hear Rubio's take on this issue. I wonder if he'll take a play out of the Rodney King get along message? "Why can't we all just get along". But I'm sure this post will never see the light of real talk day.
Robert L. King
Saint Petersburg, Florida
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Robert King Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Saint Petersburg,  FL

Date: April 13, 2012

Rich you forget RP is unelectable so was Newt, Rick, even the Pizza guy. And you think Gary is electable? Get a grip, not even Romney is electable not against the Billion Dollar Presidential Champion. There isn't a contender worth his salt. Nobody is electable except who the media says is electable. Currently the media says Romney is behind in the polls, WHAT'S NEW? Come November the people we get what they paid for.
Robert L. King
Saint Petersburg, Florida
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Paul Silver,  Portsmouth,  RI

Date: April 13, 2012

Maybe way OT but then maybe not.
What if each REALTOR association we are a member of collected the commission
fee for each sale of properties advertised on your MLS and then distributed
it equally among each of its members. How many of you would still be a
member of that association?
RossMan

---> Then, like with all organizations, one has the right to leave that
organization... in the case of government and the USA< you have the right to
emigrate... but as a responsible mature society, how do we measure our
success in dealing with our people?

I would say that we measure that success by how evenly distributed our
wealth as a society is, by how we handle our least well off citizens, by our
health and opportunity...

The fact of the matter is that being a modern society costs money... living
up to our societal obligations costs money... and simply advocating cutting
the budget across the board does absolutely nothing to meet the measures of
a successful social system...

Have a great day!

Best regards,

Paul Silver
Focus Professionals, Inc.
Direct Tel: (401) 293-0131
E-Fax: (401) 633-6938

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Paul Silver,  Portsmouth,  RI

Date: April 13, 2012

Robert, you do understand that the President cannot make any laws, as that
function falls to the Congress, yes?

Have a great day!

Best regards,

Paul Silver
Focus Professionals, Inc.
Direct Tel: (401) 293-0131
E-Fax: (401) 633-6938

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Rich Hudson Information Technology,  Menifee,  CA

Date: April 13, 2012

Rich: The rate Romney paid reflects his entire income tax paid... it is
part capital gains, part deferred interest... but it is the total income tax
rate for his earnings, since he made no other income that year...

As you are so fond of saying, keep your facts straight...

Have a great day!

Best regards,

Paul Silver

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Actually, Paul, I said: "I believe the 15% tax that is being thrown around regarding Romney is in regards to his capital gains. It has nothing to do with his income tax rate. Two different things."

Paul, come on, clearly I said referring the the capital gains rate being unfair. And I even couched it. And by the way, that is money he already paid tax on once.

And, my tag line is: "Words mean things."

Facts seem to mean so many different things to so many different people on this forum.

Rich Hudson

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Gary Johnson 2012

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Rich Hudson Information Technology,  Menifee,  CA

Date: April 13, 2012

Peter says: But, there is first a problem to solve: How does Gary deal with the current battle for ownership of the libertarian Cato Institute. The koch bothers who are trying to buy Cato. Is Gary pro-Koch purchase or anti-Koch purchase?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I can't speak for him. LOL You would have to ask him. Maybe at the debate?

As a new member of the LP, I am concentrating on the election rather than the many internal conflicts that are inherent in any political organization.

Gary Johnson 2012 issues

Rich Hudson

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Rich Hudson Information Technology,  Menifee,  CA

Date: April 13, 2012

Rich you forget RP is unelectable so was Newt, Rick, even the Pizza guy. And you think Gary is electable? Get a grip, not even Romney is electable not against the Billion Dollar Presidential Champion. There isn't a contender worth his salt. Nobody is electable except who the media says is electable. Currently the media says Romney is behind in the polls, WHAT'S NEW? Come November the people we get what they paid for.
Robert L. King
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You can sit there and do nothing or you can get off your ass and do what you think is right.
I am headed to Vegas in two weeks to nominate Gary Johnson for President of the United States of America. I am a delegate and will enjoy taking part in the process. At least I will have a clear conscience.
That, my friend, is the American way.

Rich Hudson

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Gary Johnson 2012

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Paul Silver,  Portsmouth,  RI

Date: April 13, 2012

Interesting Gibberish Robert... but the facts remain the same... Romney paid
less percentage in taxes than you did, and he is worth hundreds of millions
of dollars... who cares? I would say all those who earned less than he did
and paid more percentage in taxes care... especially his secretary...

You really have a bunch of nonsense to say, without needing any recourse to
reality... but then, I knew that 4 or 5 yrs ago... and nothing has
changed...

It is like you saying that the 2nd Amendment is in place in case the 1st
fails... I believe you are the lone Constitutional Scholar who believes
that... except perhaps Justice Scalia, who was put off by having to
actually read the laws he rules on...

It is an interesting world we live in where facts no longer hold any
importance to people...

Have a great day!

Best regards,

Paul Silver
Focus Professionals, Inc.
Direct Tel: (401) 293-0131
E-Fax: (401) 633-6938

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Robert King Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Saint Petersburg,  FL

Date: April 13, 2012

Finally Tish got something right. "The word 'happiness' does not appear in the Constitution." Exactly... just like the Separation of Church and State does not appear in the Constitution nor the Declaration. You are getting it Tish... keep reading you'll end up at the same place we all end up, being endued by something greater than ourselves, A CREATOR. Can you imagine that??? This is where your RIGHTS come from NOT THE STATE.
Now on the other hand if you do not believe that you are the product of a CREATOR (God) like they brain wash every child from K - 12 and further up into higher education, then you can make the Constitution and Bill of Rights out to be anything you want it to be, say what ever you want it to say. You can even invoke the Commerce Clause to make all things inclusive by and for the Government to delegate. But you first have to remove the words "Inalienable Rights" and replace it with Government Rights, or Mandates. Maybe not Boldly at first, but Subliminally.
Everybody's happiness stems from their personal World View and how they fit in that View, it's your responsibility to pick your own happiness individually and not by the Collective. Great ideas come from those who think great thoughts, this produces happiness in the individual. The individual has the right to keep it to his or herself or share it with the Collective. So ask yourself, do you have the right to your own thoughts?? Do you, do I, does anybody have the right to their own thoughts? Or is it intellectual property of the collective?
If you believe you have that right, then what gives the Collective the right to take that away from you? For the Good of The Whole??? Sounds pretty noble to me, but is it fair and where does the Collective acquire its authority? And if not the collective, then WHO, who determines who should share that individually, your ideas, your thoughts, dreams that all derive from independent thinking? Once the Government can redistribute what is "fair" then your independence has been sacrificed against your will. Is that what you want for survival? Lastly if there is NO GOD (Creator) then what difference does it make? But if there is, how do you answer for why you were not happy with your life? You going to complain and say it wasn't fair, you going to say, where were you God when I was down on my luck. What do you say if there is a Creator and you have to answer for your own mind??? But then there's always hope that God is only the figment of our imaginations, right?
Robert L. King
Saint Petersburg, Florida
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Robert King Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Saint Petersburg,  FL

Date: April 13, 2012

Paul asks ME, Robert, you do understand that the President cannot make any laws, as that
function falls to the Congress, yes?
Yep! Got it Paul. So why, when he had the House, Senate at his disposal for the first two years of his Presidency did he make the same error that Clinton made in his first two years of his Presidency (93-95) LOOSE THE HOUSE??? How does someone that smart be so DUMB??? That's dumber than Bush and Cheney! Why did he drop the ball? He had the majority in both houses he had stupid on his side, so what went wrong that brought us here today 2012? Now he's exposed himself to the Supreme Judiciary and a Republican House. What was he thinking? So why does the President think he can reprimand the Supreme Justices for possibly over turning his MANDATED ATTITUDE toward the American People? Affordable Health Care Act.... you gotta be kidding me. LOL If this wasn't such a cluster **** I'd think he's gone out of his collective mind! This guy actually believes his dad or step dad were both World War II vets. Must have been a slip of the tongue, maybe he meant his grand father or great grand father or something or someone else, the media sure seems to give him the benefit of the doubts. He's been doing a lot of that lately if you haven't noticed. He slips more at the tongue than Bush could create stratigery out of thin air. My spell check doesn't even have a word for stratigery or is it strategury or what?
Robert L. King
Saint Petersburg, Florida
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Ruth Gabbard Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Honolulu,  HI

Date: April 13, 2012

4/13/2012 @

I may be a bit testy today (wish I had a better word like Carolyne does - those Canadian sayings are just a hoot!) but after putting $75 in gas and the needle barely moving, not a happy camper. And I live in a state used to high gas prices - usually the highest in the country.

>> Romney paid less percentage in taxes than you did, and he is worth hundreds of millions of dollars... who cares? I would say all those who earned less than he did and paid more percentage in taxes care... especially his secretary... >>

I'm not his secretary, I earned less than Romney, paid more percentage in taxes and he's worth a whole lot more than me. But I honestly don't care. Good for him and anyone else who does well. Someone else's success does not diminish my own; your success does not diminish mine. The pie is big enough for all. Just my view.


>> Rich writes "Tish blathers on." This is disrespectful and unnecessary. You have presented your views and she has presented her ideas. <<

"You better watch who you call a moron, you stupid old man."
Isn't that disrespectful and unnecessary, too? Just wondering...

I respect the right to present the varied ideas submitted here on RT. I respect the agents who do it in a professional manner a whole lot more. Does anyone else flash back to some of the posts here on RT (both helpful and not) when considering a referral agent?

Maybe it's just me, but I have to wonder if I happened to refer an older man who didn't have a superbly high IQ to an agent if he the agent might end up calling him a "stupid old man". I realize the comments were made in the heat of discussion and between two agents BUT if we're that disrespectful to each other, are we that much different with clients? Just a thought...you may all now disrepect me. LOL

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Robert King Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Saint Petersburg,  FL

Date: April 14, 2012

I must agree with on this issue Paul, "It is an interesting world we live in where facts no longer hold any
importance to people..."
We certainly wouldn't want a miserable situation get past and opportunity, right Paul? So what other reason is there for the 2nd. Amendment, if it's not to back up the first or the 5th to back up the 4th? Originally there were 10 amendments until the progressive movement took hold in America around the turn of the 20th century, but don't let me wake you Paul from your over rate education. God forbid I would disturb your revisionist interpretation of history.
One thing we can all agree on, you neglect history and you relive it. Just like we are reliving the 20-30s all over again now, the only thing missing is a good ole World War to pay for it. At least I have a high school diploma, I've been spending the past 40 years getting the junk I learned in k-12 out of my head. I bet you have a college degree, which explains a whole lot. Just like Tish, both of you have been snatched by the body snatchers (dept. of education).
Bottom line, are you really better off with $4 gas, Middle Eastern unrest, and Morons of Appointees out of the White House? How is it better today than it was 4 trillion dollars ago. THOSE ARE THE FACTS. People are not dumb they figured it out in 2010 but that was before we had a Billion Dollar Presidential Champion. You should be happy, your guy is buying another 4 years and we in the upper class are going to pay for it. Isn't that what you want? Me paying for your lack. The bottom line is YOU ARE WRONG.
Robert L. King
Saint Petersburg, Florida

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