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Jul. 10, 2007 - Wide Angle Lenses

How wide of an angle lens do I need?


A wide angle lens is very important when taking photos indoors, as we have to do in this business. So what's all the talk about 35mm equivalent? And why should I care? First, most manufacturers will specify the lens in a 35mm equivalent form as well as the actual mm of the lens. An example would be: 5.4mm-16.2mm (28-84mm 35mm equivalent) or 18mm-55mm (28-80mm 35mm equivalent). Using the 35mm equivalent measurements gives us something to compare with from camera to camera. On digital cameras, since the sensor size varies from camera to camera, the mm measurements differ from camera to camera. So to make it easier to compare, they give us measurements in 35mm equivalents, or what it would look like in a standard 35mm film camera. So in the example above, the 18mm-55mm Canon Kit lens on the Digital Rebel is as if I was shooting a 28mm-80mm lens on a 35mm camera.
Now, how wide is wide enough? I will recommend people get 24mm on the wide side. How you get to 24mm is up to you. If you buy a camera that has a 24mm lens, great. If you buy a camera that has a 35mm lens, and add a 0.7x adapter, you'll get some distortion, but it'll still get you to 24mm.
Right now, many manufacturers seem to have been moving away from the 24mm compact digital cameras. I'm not sure why, because almost every real estate agent would want one, as well as many people that take landscape/travel photos. There are only a couple out there, and if you take away the Kodak ones, that leaves next to none. If you know of any, let me know and I'll update my list.
So can I still get a compact digital camera and use it for indoor shots? Yes. Go with the 28mm route, and get a 0.85x adapter.
Or, for the next step up, consider the Canon or Nikon DSLR cameras. Pick a lens such as the Sigma 10-20 (16-32mm in 35mm equiv) and get the Canon Digital Rebel XT or XTI, or Nikon D40 or D50. These are the entry level digital SLR cameras and will be more than adequate for almost everybody.

Now, here's what photos look like at different mm ratings. All of the specs are given in 35mm equivalent. The room is a living room that is 21 feet by 11 feet. I was standing in the farthest corner shooting across the room. The camera was mounted on a tripod, and set to a manual exposure of 1/10 of a second at iso-100. Since I forgot to match the aperture across the photos, I manually adjusted them all to f/3.5, the same as the initial 2 photos.


20mm:

This is the living room of a particular house shown taken with a 20mm effective lens (18mm *1.6 crop factor * 0.7x adapter) Note that you can see the lamp on the left side, as well as wall space in front of the lamp… all the way to a piece of artwork on the right side. The corners are dark due to the combination of the 18mm with the wide angle adapter of 0.7x. This wouldn't be the case if I had a "real" wide-angle lens (which I do not have yet). Also note that there is some barrel distortion that is noted as curvature in the passageway to the hallway.



24mm:

Now take a look at 24mm. Note that the lamp is just starting to get cut off, and the framed art is ½ missing. (This was also taken with the 18mm * 1.6x * 0.7x but taken zoomed in just a tad.) Still get a good sense that the room is longer than it is wide.


28mm:


Here is where we start to lose more of the room. The lamp is almost completely gone, and the framed art is not there. We still get an ok idea of the room, but not of the original size of the room.


34mm:


This photo, taken at 34mm, has no sense of the room size anymore. It could be a 11x11 or it could be 21x11. No one would ever know. This is not a good photo to use because it just doesn't depict the room well. Compare it to the first photo which shows so much more of the room, or even the 24mm photo. Do your sellers a favor and get a wider lens.

There are only 3 point and shoot cameras that have 24mm wide angle lenses, the Kodak P880, and the Kodak V570, and Kodak V705, of which I don't like any of these 3 cameras. The quality is poor compared to every other camera I've seen or used.

Bottom line is this: you may want to consider an inexpensive Digital SLR camera such as the Canon Digital Rebel XT or the Nikon D40. They both are about $500, and you can add a 10-20 type lens such as the Sigma 10-20 for about $500. Total investment would be about $1000. If you decide to buy online, be sure to purchase from reputable vendors such as http://www.bhphoto.com , http://www.jr.com , http://www.adorama.com , http://www.amazon.com , or you could check other vendor ratings at http://www.resellerratings.com before you purchase.

Cameras with 28mm or wider:
Canon SD870is, Powershot S80, Powershot Pro1
Fuji Finepix F480 Zoom, E500 Zoom, ix E510 Zoom
Fuji Finepix S9000Z, S6000 fd, S8000 fd, S9100, IS-1
Minolta DiMage 7, 7i, 7Hi, A1, A2, A200
Leica Digilux 2, D-Lux 2, D-Lux 3, C-Lux 1
Nikon Coolpix P50, Coolpix 5400
Olympus FE-200, FE-290, C-5060 Zoom, C-8080 Wide Zoom, C7070 Wide Zoom, SP-550 UZ, SP-560 UZ
Panasonic Lumix DMC-LC1, FX07, FX50, FX01, FX30, FX33, FX55, FX100, LX1, LX2,TZ2, TZ3, FZ18
Ricoh Caplio 500G, RX, R1V, R2, R3, R30, R4, R5, R6, R7, R40, GX8, GR Digital, GR Digital II
Samsung Digimax A55W, L74 Wide, Pro815
Sony DSC-F828

Cameras with 24mm or wider:
Kodak P880, V570, V705 (23mm)
Nikon Coolpix 8400 (24mm- not availble anymore)
Ricoh Caplio GX100 (24mm)
Sony DSC-R1 (24mm) (if you're going to spend $1100 on this camera, why not get a Canon XTi and 10-20 lens for $1000?)

Out of 820 digital cameras, only 6 have 24mm wide angle lenses!

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Jul. 13, 2007 - re: Wide Angle Lenses

Posted by Amy Chorew
Have you seen the Kodak 570? Is is easy to use, small enought to take with you all the time and it has two lenses. One is 23 mm - very nice.
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Jul. 25, 2007 - re: Wide Angle Lenses

Posted by Steven Hong

Steve,

Thanks for your help!

-Colleen

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Jul. 31, 2007 - re: Wide Angle Lenses

Posted by steven diehm

WOW Steve!  You took so much time and great effort to convey a difficult to understand topic.  Thank you.

I am partial to Canon and own many in our family, but we are novices.  I have an S2is that I think is a great camera, but, need to acquire wide-angle tech for emerging Real estate business.  Rather than carry around a large SLR, if possible I want to buy the G7.  My understanding from your blog & fine examples is that I need a 24mm equivalent. from their lens option page, I see 2 different wide angles; EF 24mmf/1.4L USM and EF 24mm f/2.8.  Their chart is available at www.usa.canon.com/app/pdf/lens/Lens_Extenderr_chart_new.pdf

Could you make a recommendation?   For hobby purposes, I'd also like to get a lens that allows me to photograph flowers, etc. up close.  If your expertise allows you to also recommend a lens for this purpose, please do so.  Thank You,

Steve Diehm

ReMax Ocean Forest-Myrtle Beach, SC

843-685-2202

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Jul. 31, 2007 - re: Wide Angle Lenses

Posted by Steven Hong
 

You are talking about 2 different cameras. The G7 (a great camera) does not have interchangeable lenses. The EF lenses you are mentioning will do 24mm on a full form factor camera such as the Canon 5D. But if you are getting a lesser expensive DSLR camera, such as the Digital Rebel XTi or 30D, you have to multiply the mm of the lens by 1.6. So therefore, the 24mm lens on a Digital Rebel XTi will then become a 38.4mm lens.

 

So, to get 24mm wide on a DSLR camera with a crop factor of 1.6, you'll need to get a lens in the range of 15mm, such as the Canon 10-22mm lens (16mm-35mm equivalent), or the 16-35mm lens (25.6mm-56mm equivalent). I would recommend the Canon 10-22 or the equivalent Sigma 10-20mm lens. I have heard good things about both of these lenses.

 

Steven Hong, e-PRO Realtor

RE/MAX Associates Plus

Minneapolis, MN

 

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Sep. 8, 2007 - re: Wide Angle Lenses

Posted by Judy Sepac

Hi Steven,

I'm wondering if you have any input on buying a moderately priced video camera. I'd use it for family functions and also want to try my hand at real estate video. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. Judy

P.S. I'd like to be your "friend" too, if you're amenable to that! www.judysepac.com

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Dec. 15, 2007 - RE: Wide Angle Lenses

Posted by Kristina
Thanks for all your valuable information regarding the different lenses.  I am looking for a camera with a wide angle lens, and I will bring the information that you posted with me to the camera stores.
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Dec. 23, 2007 - RE: Wide Angle Lenses

Posted by Jay McGillicuddy

Hi Steven,

                  Do you know if the Nikon digital SLR's will take lenses from Nikon 35MM film cameras?

Btw, I used to live in South  Minneapolis on Belmont Ave. Eden Prairie, Minnetonka and South Bloomington. I also used to work for Hesston Corporation in Eden Praire and National Computer Company, can't remember the exact name.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

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Apr. 7, 2008 - RE: Wide Angle Lenses

Posted by Pam Friesen Kretschmar

Hello,

I'm searching for a new digital camera.  All of my research has directed me to the Nikon D40. I'm not cetain I want a large slr.

Has anyone used a magnetic wide angle lense that adapts to a point and shoot digital camera? If so, do you like the quality?

Thank you,

Pam Friesen Kretschmar

 

 

 

 

 

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Apr. 8, 2008 - RE: Wide Angle Lenses

Posted by Steven Hong

Pam-

I do not recommend the Nikon D40 as it is not fully compatible with a lot of the Nikon lenses. It will only be fully compatible with a small set of lenses, the rest you'll have only manual focus.

As far as adapter lenses goes, I would suggest going the route of the Panasonic FX500, which has a 25-125 mm lens.

Steven Hong

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Jan. 20, 2009 - RE: Wide Angle Lenses

Posted by Richard Stadtmueller

Thank you...good information

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