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The beginning of RIN and REALTOR.com

Mar. 5, 2007
Categorized in: REALTOR.COM
Hi everyone,

Hi everyone,

I am in the Chicago area this week, and after my presentation this afternoon in Arlington Heights, I will be headed Downtown for a few days of meetings.
It was this week in 1995 that RIN (REALTORS Information Network) had its first "Charter Member" meeting at the Drake Hotel. I had the opportunity to
be the presenter at what Ed Evans (then president of RIN) called the "Big Tent" event.

As a speaker in the real estate industry, this was to me the biggest of events and visibility and I was very excited. Just 2 years before I was a
local board president and now I was speaking to most of the MLS and Association Executives in the country!

Walt Baczkowski, my AE from San Diego was there and we went running along Lake Michigan...as the ice moved along the surface of the Lake and deposited
itself with crashing thunder on the sea wall.

12 years later...back in Chicago. In 1995 the advanced hardware was a 486 with 4 to 8 MB of RAM. The www was very new and the total number of real
estate web sites was less than 300, which was a shockingly high number to most of us back then. It has been a long run, and we are not through yet as
we enter upon the age of collaboration and what is being referred to as Web 2.0.


Saul

Saul Klein
President, InternetCrusade 
 

REALTOR.com - What would you have done differently?

Nov. 22, 2006
Categorized in: REALTOR.COM
Tagged with: realtorcom

I was an advocate of keeping REALTOR.com and not spinning off the asset. I was a vocal advocate of keeping listings exclusivity on REALTOR.com...having MLSs and brokers display their listings only on REALTOR.com, and then selling ad space on REALTOR.com to the many advertisers already advertising on the many venues offered by NAR. I believed then (and still do) that if the listings were organized, easy to search, and branded...that consumers would learn that there is on place to go to look for real estate for sale, and that place would be REALTOR.com...100% owned and operated by NAR.

Attempting this would be a financial risk for NAR...and here is an e-mail that I sent to the then Executive Officer of NAR, Bud Smith on July 12, 1996, about 6 weeks before the Special Meeting of the NAR BOD in Chicago at the Airport Sheraton. As this was very controversial, and much was at stake, you may note a conciliatory style in my e-mail. Emotions were running high and wanted a hearing and  did not want my e-mail to be dismissed out of hand:

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July 26, 1996

Hi Bud,

Please forgive me if I am stating the obvious or if I am being presumptuous. That is not my intent. I would like to share with you certain concepts and ideas as they appear to me, someone who has been a very keen observer of RIN, the people associated with RIN, and the members and their perceptions and expectations of RIN. Again, I apologize if I am being to basic or covering ground you may have already handled.

The first one that came to mind is advertising on REALTOR.com.

If it is determined that the sale of ad space can be a net revenue generator for RIN (REALTOR.com), a sales team will be needed to market the various advertising packages. I believe that team already exists at NAR. You have in Advertising and Conventions, experienced people selling ad space, convention space, marketing, etc. and they are managed by your very capable senior staff. Advertising space on RIN (REALTOR.com) could be one more product they offer to their advertising clients, many of whom would probably love the opportunity to purchase electronic ad space on RIN (REALTOR.com) through NAR. You build a revenue share into your business plan. An opportunity to increase the revenue of the Advertising Department, and provide revenue for RIN (REALTOR.com).

You have no doubt already thought of this and either ruled it out based on your sound evaluation of the current circumstances, conditions, and restraints, or have decided that it is an option to further pursue. I am sorry if I have needlessly taken your time.

Saul
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So...in a nutshell...I would have incorporated REALTOR.com into the operation of NAR and used NAR resources to build the brand and traffic...that is what I believed at the time and what I would have done.

As for Google...I think that if REALTORS nationwide understand what is happening, and had a longer term vision and outlook, they could effectively counter the Google threat...which I truly believe is a threat and will change real estate sales forever within the next 10 years.

It is not, in my opinion, "just information" in the future. Artificial intelligent, virtual worlds, and more will be nothing less than a paradigm shift and all those with money invested in the "old ways" will lose their fortunes. Remember, when a paradigm shifts, everyone goes back to zero...your past success guarantees NOTHING when a paradigm shifts. As a matter of fact, your past success may blind you from seeing the future.

MLSs will disappear and the role of the REALTOR will be forever changed.

Saul

Original Post

Hi Saul:

The other day I posted and you were straight out responding to others.

I know that many are keeping you busy defending REALTOR.com. and NAR, I am not one of them. I personally believe that the site needed the for profit element to succeed.

I am curious though if you think NAR could have done anything differently way back when, that would have avoided some of the issues that we read about today?

Also, your concerns regarding Google. I feel that all of this is just information and that today more than ever, buyers and sellers are looking to Realtors to guide them. Do you feel any internet site with any amount of information can replace this?

I am in the process of making technology decisions for myself and my company. Yours and others thoughts on these are helpful.

Thanks,

Art Ferrara

 

Early History of REALTOR.com: a Chronology of Events

Nov. 19, 2006
Categorized in: REALTOR.COM
Tagged with: mls, rin


With a lot of the conversation lately being about REALTOR.com, I decided that I would add an historical perspective as I know many people selling real estate today were not in the real estate business when REALTOR.com was created and later placed under the management of what became (by design) a publicly traded company (Homestore, AKA Move Inc).
 
In 1992, as president-elect of the San Diego Association of REALTORS, I metRichard Janssen, a local business man. He was building Kiosks to display limited amounts of listing data at some 50 Longs Drug Stores in San Diego County. I thought his idea was a good one. Richard had a contract to receive the listing information directly from our MLS. It made sense to me to give the public a glimpse of the property data before they went out to actually view the properties.
 
As the president of the San Diego Association of REALTORS in 1993 I promoted Richard's concept and company (RealSelect) at the orientation presentations at my association and at the 3 office meetings I attended each week, as I believed in the power of information and making it available to the public.
Richard's business model was to charge agents to have a one page "bio" page displayed on the Kiosks along with the listing information. Interested consumers would "log on" to the Kiosk by entering their name and phone number, which was then provided to the agents with accounts with Richard's company. A big industry controversy at the time was "public access to MLS."
Richard's idea seemed to satisfy consumers need for basic information and lead the consumer to the REALTOR (the computers at those Kiosks later became the first REALTOR.com servers).
 
In January of 1995, At what was then called the NAR Mid-Winter Meetings, in Orlando, I was interviewed by Jim Tebay, the "Field Marketing Vice President" for RIN and two other members of the "RIN Team," Kathy Hartke and John Schladweiler. Jim, Kathy and John had only been with RIN a few months and they were recruited by Ed Evans, the RIN president, who had only been with RIN about 2 months longer than Jim. All four of them came from Comdesco, a "disaster recovery" company. I was contracted to do a presentation and workshop for the first major RIN event which was put on for the MLSs that had paid RIN $$$ to become "RIN Charter Members." The event was held at the Drake Hotel in Chicago on March 4, 1995.
 
It took me all of February to learn all that RIN had done and to put together an all day program...and, contrary to what some may believe, they had done quite a bit at that point. The main consultant and "RIN Technology Partner" was Booz Allen Hamilton. In March of 1995 there was no serious conversation about advertising listings on the Internet. As a matter of fact, the concept was foreign to most REALTORS, and to NAR and RIN Leadership..."make my listing info available to the world on the Interwhat...are you crazy!!" was a common response back then (seems like a million years ago).
 
The event was deemed successful and I then became a full time consultant for RIN. My job was to travel and prepare the REALTOR marketplace for technology and what RIN would bring to the market, which at the time, was a proprietary network. I was a "technology evangelist," socializing the REALTOR population about the coming changes in marketing and the conduct of business.
 
On August 9, 1995, Netscape went public and the RIN Board of Directors decided the REALTOR organization needed to make a move to the Internet. Part of my charge was then to examine and advise the RIN BOD and staff on the evolving World Wide Web and its advertising potential and to create a strategy for gaining listing content.
 
Back to Richard Janssen...Richard had an idea as to how his Kiosk technology could be adapted for use on the WWW. Walt Baczkowski (SDAR EVP at the time and a member of the RIN BOD) and I then introduced Richard to the RIN Board of Directors. There were few real vendors of Internet services at that time (for the purpose of displaying data on the web) and Richard's Kiosk idea looked adaptable to this new and growing medium, the www.
 
The first name for the project of displaying listing information to consumers on the web (which we all now know as REALTOR.com) was "National Electronic Advertising Program." We quickly shortened it to RPA (Real Property Ads). The first presentation on the subject was done for the Colorado Association of REALTORS (they were a "pilot state"). There were no listings on REALTOR.com at that time and the whole concept was just that, a concept. The presentation slides were acetate overheads of Kiosk screen shots I got from Richard Janssen. I still have those original overheads.
 
First listings up on the Web on REALTOR.com were from the San Diego County MLS, Sandicor, which Richard had under his Kiosk contract. Next MLS to go up was Austin. Next was Miami. The first name given to online listings was NEAP (National Electronic Advertising Program). We did not want to confuse it with "consumer access to MLS" so we made a point to call it advertising.
 
RealTalk, our online community, began a few months before REALTOR.com. As a consultant to RIN, it was my responsibility to build a structure for online community and then populate it with people and content. With the help of John Reilly, Mike Barnett, and Jack Harper, we did just that (and when RIN spun off REALTOR.com...we took our little community and put it on a listserv, the predecessor to what we have today).
 
RIN was formally launched at the NAR Trade Show and Convention in Atlanta in November of 1995 and by mid 1996 about 18 million dollars had been invested by NAR into the RIN project, both "sides" of RIN, the private side which we referred to as the RIN Network Desktop (where most of the money had been spent), and the Public Side which was REALTOR.com (and for which RIN owed Richard Janssen around $1,000,000 in back fees, costs, expenses, etc.
 
Certain people in leadership and the NAR Board of Directors, under pressure from the press and a few other groups (and based partly on the "bad acting" of the president of RIN, Ed Evans), feared NAR would lose all the investment in RIN and more, so there was a special meeting in Chicago in August of 1996 to decide what to do about the debt of RIN and what to do with the assets.
It was then that NAR decided to change the course of RIN and sell the public side (REALTOR.com) for past money owed to Richard Janssen and RealSelect for future stock in a new company (which turned out in final form to be Homestore, now Move, inc.). NAR subsequently recovered all of its investment in RIN and maintained control over many of the aspects of REALTOR.com based on the 1000 page document you hear discussed on occasion. No one at NAR saw any value in the community we had created, around 500 people, so InternetCrusade set out to build an online community on its own.
 
What all of us involved back in 1995 saw, was that the WWW gave consumers the ability to access information about property and it seemed like a great idea, and it seemed like the future.
 
There is a lot more to this story, but this should put a little historical perspective into the recent REALTOR.com conversations.