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Oct. 19, 2006 - Manhattan apartment prices / more like Tom Cruise than a truck

“economic rent” explained (it is not what you think)
UC Berkeley prof Hal Varian is an occasional contributor (I think) to the Economic Scene column in the NY Times business section; today’s column is provocatively entitled “Why Old Media and Tom Cruise Should Worry About Cheaper Technology”. Which got me to thinking about the Manhattan coop and condo real estate market.
 
Varian talks about the notion of “economic rent”, using Tom Cruise’s movie salaries as an example (quoted below). Which reminded me of the insistence of some real estate commentators to talk about the “fundamentals” in the New York City apartment market (as in “the recent price run up could not be sustained because prices outstripped the fundamentals”).
 
cost vs. demand
Here is what Varian said about The Couch Raver’s salary:
 
David Ricardo, who lived from 1772 to 1823, developed the theory of economic rent in his essays opposing the 19th-century English Corn Laws. These were tariffs ostensibly intended to protect British farmers from cheap foreign grain.
 
Ricardo observed that the tariffs had two effects: the obvious effect of raising the price of grain and the more subtle effect of pushing up the rent of land suitable for growing grain.
 
From the viewpoint of an individual tenant farmer, the rent he paid to the aristocratic landlord was a cost of production. But for the system as a whole, the land rent did not really determine the price of grain. It was the other way around: the price of grain determined land rent. So the real beneficiaries of the Corn Laws were not the tenant farmers, but the aristocrats who owned the land.
 
And so it is with Mr. Cruise. His salary, as that of other Hollywood stars, depends on the fact that large numbers of people will pay to see his movies. If, in the future, these people spend more time on YouTube and less time going to movies, Mr. Cruise’s compensation will probably fall.
 
This is not true for other sorts of goods used to produce films. The movie business uses a lot of trucks — but the price of trucks won’t change if people go to movies less. Why? Because the price of trucks is determined primarily by their cost of production — the labor, steel, rubber and other materials that go into making them.
 
It’s quite different with star salaries. It’s not the cost of production that determines actors’ wages but the demand for the product that they produce.
 
What does this have to do with Manhattan apartment prices? Here is how I would turn Varian around to face my market:
 
Manhattan apartment prices depend on the fact that large numbers of people will pay to live in Manhattan. If, in the future, these people prefer to spend their money on suburban houses Manhattan apartment prices will probably fall.
 
Seems pretty simple and obvious, right?
 
I have often wondered about what fundamentals people are talking about when they talk about real estate. But here is why Real Estate Fundamentals don’t apply in Manhattan they way they may apply in, say, Houston.
 
My guess is that real estate prices in Houston – and in much of America -- are much more directly related to costs of production (buying land and building materials and paying someone to assemble those materials on that land) than here. If a buyer in Houston has a real opportunity to buy-and-build within a reasonable commuting distance to a job, the relative values of resale homes is limited in some significant way by that choice.
 
But in Manhattan, there is essentially no equivalent build-or-buy choice.
 
I wonder if there is any data that would help rank different US cities on the degree to which Costs Of Production are relevant to market prices.
 
Probably, Manhattan and San Francisco are examples of consistent demand being the market driver; “frothy” markets with a lot of investors (Las Vegas, south Florida?) probably swing in the degree to which demand is the driver; most of America is probably more weighted to costs of production. Not sure what the data would be, but I wonder if it is out there…
 
© Sandy Mattingly 2006
 
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Oct. 27, 2006 - re: Manhattan apartment prices / more like Tom Cruise than a truck

Posted by Anonymous
It is true that Manhattan real estate is better understood as a luxury good than a commodity -hence the wider, perhaps exuseable, difference between fundamentals and market prices.  But fundamentals such as employment, and income still matter; they just migrate to, for example, international buyers. Or reflect demand side weaknesses such as the higher cost of moving to a new city.  Ricardo was not talking about residential real estate though. While you are wondering if anyone will ever stop buy residential condos, you might pay more attention to commercial real estate where fundamentals are more apparent and a good indicator of the future market cycle.
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Oct. 29, 2006 - re: Manhattan apartment prices / more like Tom Cruise than a truck

Posted by Sandy Mattingly
THX for stopping by Anon.
 
The “fundamentals” you cite are among The Usual Suspects cited by commentators. Interesting that they have more to do with demand (employment and income) than with the supply or cost side. Certainly it is relevant is there is sufficient wealth and income to support the resale loft market in Manhattan, or to buy down the historically “excessive” inventory, but these considerations support the “economic rent” view.
 
Yes, Ricardo was not talking about residential real estate in the early 1800s. As a Brit, I’m thinking he would have been more partial to a loft in SoHo or Chelsea than Tribeca or Flatiron.
 
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