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Sep. 23, 2007 - 130 W 17 9S is new + really going for it

 
$1,600/ft coop loft, but why?
Unit 9S at 130 West 17 Street is a top floor "2,000 sq ft" loft with a skylight and the possibility of purchasing roof rights, asking a new-construction-like Manhattan loft price of $3.2mm and $2,062/mo.
 
Unlike the listing for the 9th floor at 105 East 29 Street addressed earlier (105 E 29 9th fl is new this weekend + going for it), this listing description presents a premium justification (persuasive or not is a different story), dropping "exquisitely finished", 4 exposures, "beautifully appointed", "sky-lit cook's kitchen" and "superb bathroom renovations". The listing pix are consistent with this prose, but where's the floor plan?
 
$1,600 per foot is a very aggressive price for a coop loft, even one with potential roof rights in central Chelsea. Maybe there's some building history that makes the argument for the primo premium easy.
 
Maybe not.
 
$1,000/ft coop loft
The last sale in the building was the much smaller #6S ("1,300 sq ft" which is charming, but not very bright, and in serious need of updating, even though designed by an award-winning architect (I have seen it; funky rather than spacious). It sold fairly quickly in May for $1.25mm (above the $1.195mm asking price). That's under $1,000/ft for the mathematically challenged.
 
$1,100/ft coop loft?
The last sale before that one was #9N, which sold in February 2006 (and went to contract in two weeks). City records don't show that closed price, but the ask was $1.85mm for "1,700 sq ft" described (modestly?) as having "brilliant light and towering city views" and "intelligent room coordination, design and fine fixtures". Not a premium description like that for its neighbor on the 9th floor, but one could do a lot of renovation in 9N's 1,700 sq ft before getting close to $1,600/ft all-in (depending on the final sale price for 9N, of course).
 
The entire 6th floor was offered for sale for two months early this year on a to-be-combined basis, "4,000 sq ft" and a lot of renovation work for $3.695mm, but had no takers before being taken off the market in March when the contract for just #6S was signed.
 
premium value for the plus factor
For buyers to pay the primo premium asked for 9S, there's gotta be something special about it. The other sales in the building indicate that location is not the plus factor here. The views could be a plus factor, but they appear not to have helped 9N much. The "possible" roof deck should not be a plus, since (a) you'd still have to pay for it, and (b) it is merely possible at this point. (Out door space -- especially private roof space -- can be a significant plus factor, I just don't think this possibility qualifies.) Perhaps it is the finishes and fixtures.
 
For finishes and fixtures to be the plus factor driving an atypically high price, they have to overcome the buyer's mental math how much would it cost me to build out my dream loft? and it has to match the buyer's tastes. So the market of really interested buyers shrinks as the finishes and fixtures become more (personally) stylish. The seller wants a buyer whose taste exactly matches theirs, or else the buyer won't be willing to pay a premium.
 
Time will, of course, tell.
 
a true condop
A picky aside. Nearly every time an agent describes a building as a "condop" they mean "a coop with condo rules" (such as free subletting, or no board interviews, or some such 'easy' thing). But the legal meaning of "condop" is very different, and 130 West 17 Street is such a "condop". The building is a condo, even though the apartments are sold as coops. The condo has two units: the commercial first floor is owned by the RubinMuseum. Floors 2 - 9 are owned by a residential cooperative association called 17th Street Artists Corp, the shareholders of which own shares and hold proprietary leases entitling them to live in their coop apartments.
 
End of (that) lecture.
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Sep. 24, 2007 - RE: 130 W 17 9S is new + really going for it

Posted by Laura
Hi Sandy, I wouldn't call it a loft when the ceiling is only 10.5ft and 2 of the 3 bedrooms are so small. It makes no sense to build in a premium for a roof right that does not even currently come with the apt. At best case the coop board approves the roof and the buyer still needs to pay more money for it later, worst case they could say no. Based on the pix, floor plan and location I'm guessing (am not a professional:-) at least $400/ft overpriced.
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