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My Month as "Ask the Expert"

May. 1, 2009
Categorized in: Brokerage and Agency

I just finished my month as the "Ask the Expert" for REBAC. Since I am also an appraiser, valuation questions were my assigned topic. First of all, I have to say it was so much fun I'd do it again -in a heartbeat! Second of all, I was very impressed by both the thoughtful questions I received and the obvious genuine desire on the part of agents to understand pricing and valuation, and do it right.
There were some themes that several questions returned to, so I'm going to recap here (not word for word), one of the major issues, in an effort to help both sides of this aisle-the agents and the appraisers.
Without a doubt, one of the number one myths some agents have is that appraisers don't 'count' finished area below grade. We most certainly do! The big issue is an understanding of Fannie Mae guidelines. When I teach anything to do with financing or appraising to agents, I always refer to Fannie Mae as the 'eight hundred pound gorilla'. That's because it is-in the sense that most residential mortgages are going to be done to Fannie Mae guidelines. The application will be taken on a Fannie Mae form; the borrower will meet Fannie Mae Guidelines; the appraiser will be asked to complete a Fannie Mae Appraisal Form (including, these days, the troublesome 1004MC) and the appraisal must be done to Fannie Mae Guidelines. Fannie Mae has always had the same position on square footage: the appraiser is to measure the exterior of the house above grade to calculate the living area. All of this area must be totally above grade. So, if the house is a split, or a bi-level, or another local term you use for a home where part of the living area is below grade-it doesn't count-in the above grade living area. It does count as "finished area below grade". This usually gets the 'but what if' questions, as in: "What if the house is walk out at the rear?" Answer: "What is the front like? In the typical walk out at rear house, the opposite side is either completely or partially below grade, depending upon the grade of the lot. This particular issue causes a lot of ill will between appraisers and agents. Here's the agent side, possibly learned at the feet of the broker: "We are selling finished square footage, so count it all and put it in the MLS. Don't measure the house, that is too risky!" My answer: "Hello????? You are competent enough to take and pass a real estate test and you don't think you can measure the outside of a house? Get a grip!" Furthermore-by 'counting' all the square footage and putting it into the MLS that way, you create false information for an appraiser. Furthermore, if you took that 30 x 40 house with a finished basement, and called it a 2400 square foot house, not a 1200 square foot house, and compounded your error by developing a CMA by comparing this 1200 square foot house (with a finished basement) to houses that really have 2400 square feet (above grade), you will get the wrong answer. That's math, folks. If you start with a flawed assumption, you get a wrong answer. Here's the appraiser side (hold on to your hats, I'm paraphrasing many, many appraisers (I teach them as well) and they aren't tactful): "These @#$%^*+ agents don't know a $#@% thing! They can't measure a house to save their lives, and everything they have in the MLS is wrong! How can we do our job if they keep putting the wrong data into MLS?"
Sigh! We have some issues here folks. And, we need each other. I personally am both of you-I'm an active agent, and an active appraiser-and an instructor, to boot, so I get to hear your unvarnished opinions of each other. Here's the deal, folks. Agents, you need appraisers. Without loan approval, we don't have closings; without closings, we don't get paid. Getting approvals, followed by closings and commissions, is a good thing. Appraisers need you for information that you may not put in the MLS. I constantly tell appraisers you are often the first group to feel the tremors of a changing market-you are 'on the ground'. Appraisers, you need agents. As I just pointed out, they can be wonderful sources of information that may not be in the MLS. I have discovered a changing market through discussions with agents, as well as the 'real reason' a house didn't sell-which can be anything from a strong cat smell to an uncooperative seller. Without agents selling houses, we are stuck with non-brokered sales, and those things are nightmares to use as comps because of the problems verifying the data. So, here's my proposal: agents-can you start trying to measure houses-and get it right? Report below grade area as below grade-the appraisers promise they will 'count it'. Appraisers, educate the agents in your area about how you come up with adjustments and why. Use the 'better information' I hope you will soon get to do your work, so that loans will close, agents will have commissions, you will have fees, and comps. After all folks, at the end of the day-we are all REALTORS®--or at least I hope you are.

Melanie J. McLane, ABR, CRB, CRS, ePRO, GRI, RAA, SRES, 32 year veteran of the real estate industry. Offering training, speaking and consulting throughout the industry, I teach everything from ABR to USPAP. Certified ePRO Instructor. To contact me, email me at: melanie@TheMelanieGroup.com or visit my website: www.TheMelanieGroup.com

It's Not That Easy

Jun. 28, 2007
Categorized in: Appraisal Issues
Tagged with: appraisal, arizona, zillow

The recent legislation in Arizona allowing Zillow.com to continue valuations of real property has been heralded as a triumph for technology and the real estate business. The truth is, it isn't that easy. The Arizona legislature opted to cover the consumer by having Zillow (and others) label their 'valuations' as 'not an appraisal.  A blog I read championed this as a triumph for agents and consumers, and the writer opined that agents ought to be able to do 'valuations' for lending purposes.  

The truth is, consumers are confused. They have always been confused over the difference between a CMA, a BPO and an appraisal.  As a practicing appraiser, I have often had consumers assure me that their house was 'appraised' when in fact, an agent did a CMA. I teach agents, and I teach appraisers.  Appraisers have far more education and training.  In most states, including mine, the day the ink is drying on a new salesperson's license, that individual can go running out and tell a consumer either what to list a house for, or what to offer for one. That's scary. And now, we have some voices saying, let them also do valuations for loan purposes--very scary.  

Then there is Zillow.  Zillow essentially took technology that has been around for a long time--automated valuation models using such mind-numbing things as multiple linear regression--and applied it to residential property. According to the Wall Street Journal, in one of their worst 'zestimates', Zillow was off by two million dollars, because their system failed to recognize the value of a gated community. Automated valuation models have their place--but not in the hands of amateurs. On top of that, consumers rely on real estate professionals to value property--and they think we know what we are doing. The truth is, we should know what we are doing. Yet, as an appraiser, way too often I am in a house where the owners are 'upside down'--because the last 'appraisal' was either a BPO, a drive-by--or who knows what?

Agents and appraisers both have valuable roles to play in the industry. Yet, when agents start valuing property--for things like loans--they are getting in way over their heads. Finally, any agent considering valuation of property for a fee should carefully check both their state license law and their company E & O policy to see if they are covered for this kind of practice. As the saying goes: "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread."