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Tom Hathaway, Licensed Real Estate Broker,  TN

Date: September 15, 2008, Number of Replies: 137


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From what I am reading it seems as if our country has been, and is still, not only in a recession but also teetering on the edge of a depression. We all know what the effect of more bank failures will bring, and when the top banks fail as they are, it is not out of reason that people will begin to panic and withdraw their money from banks and the stock market. The questions is, will people panic?
 
The old $100,000 guarantee from the government is not much of a reassurance at these days. First $100,000 is not what it was when the FDIC was formed. A ton of people have much more than that in banks and securities around the country. And a large number of retirements plans that Americans have are tied very closely to the stock market through 401Ks and a variety of other investments. Second, as the Government would need to do to meet the guarantees, printing more money would just devalue the U.S. Dollar to point none of us would want to see.
 
We can only wait and see what happens the next few weeks and months. What effect will the elections have on all of this? Who knows. Do you feel more comfortable with Obama wanting to redistribute what little wealth there might be, do you want McCain to support the big corporations? Asked another way would be, do you want Obama to increase taxes to help distribute the wealth, or do you want to see McCain cut taxes when the country is already broke? Tough decisions. And frankly I don't know if either one of them have what it takes to lead us out of the current financial situation.
 
Another issue I believe we will all be facing soon is much more regulation at all levels of the real estate industry. I expect the Feds will begin passing federal regulations, probably through HUD, that will directly impact on each of us as Real Estate Licensees. Recently while in D.C., I heard some rumblings about some form of Federal Licensure, which would be in addition to state licensure, so action could be taken against the license of those in real estate (Realtors, Appraisers, Lenders, Mortgage Brokers) instead of going to court to take action against the individual.
 
The good thing about all of this is that I doubt NAR has to worry much about Banks getting into the real estate brokerage business for a long long time. Just think how much worse things might be right now had the banks been directly involved in all ends of the real estate industry the past 5-10 years.
 
Your thoughts are welcomed
 
Tom Hathaway
The Buyer's Agent
 
 
 
 
 
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Ronny Geenen Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Glendora,  CA

Date: September 15, 2008

Tom wrote:

We can only wait and see what happens the next few weeks and months. What effect will the elections have on all of this? Who knows? Do you feel more comfortable with Obama wanting to redistribute what little wealth there might be, do you want McCain to support the big corporations? Asked another way would be, do you want Obama to increase taxes to help distribute the wealth, or do you want to see McCain cut taxes when the country is already broke? Tough decisions. And frankly I don't know if either one of them have what it takes to lead us out of the current financial situation.

As a Dutchman I look from the outside in and I have the feeling, reading your writing, that a two party system is not good enough. People need to have more options. You need at least a 3 party equal system. Or have two republican candidates and two democrats competing for the presidency during the elections. And let each bring a feasible program how to govern the coming 4 years.

I love to see a discussion between these 4 candidates.

Just an idea.

RG

Glendora, CA 91741

Info@RonnyGeenen.com

Http://CaFoothillsRealEstate.com

 

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Deede Wockenfuss Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Chandler,  AZ

Date: September 15, 2008

Tom Hathaway says,
The good thing about all of this is that I doubt NAR has to worry much about Banks getting into the real estate brokerage business for a long long time. Just think how much worse things might be right now had the banks been directly involved in all ends of the real estate industry the past 5-10 years.
 
I have often thought recently about how truly messed up the Real Estate industry would be if the banks had been allowed to get into real estate. These are SALARIED people. They just do not think like we do and do not have the 'get up and go' to make difficult things happen. It is now so obvious that the buying and selling public could not possibily be well served by 9-5 Mon-Fri salaried agents. What motivation is there to push hard to get difficult things done?
 
I hope that if the banks even TRY to dip their little toe into our industry again, that they will be cut down quickly. I, personally, feel that selling real estate and doing my own loans is a conflict of interest, and I certainly feel that BANKS (lenders) selling real estate is just letting the fox in the hen house.
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Peter Miller Writing/Editing

Date: September 16, 2008

Hi --

Tom Hathaway discusses the current Wall Street meltdown and says that "I believe we will all be facing soon is much more regulation at all levels of the real estate industry. I expect the Feds will begin passing federal regulations, probably through HUD, that will directly impact on each of us as Real Estate Licensees. Recently while in D.C., I heard some rumblings about some form of Federal Licensure, which would be in addition to state licensure, so action could be taken against the license of those in real estate (Realtors, Appraisers, Lenders, Mortgage Brokers) instead of going to court to take action against the individual."

A national registration system for loan officers was established over the summer under the FHA reform bill. See:

National Registration For Loan Officers Becomes Reality

More importantly, regulations ALREADY exist that could have stopped the mortgage meltdown before it began. Under the Home Ownership and Equity Protection Act, the Federal Reserve has the authority since 1974 under Section 129 to define "unfair and deceptive acts or practices" (UDAP). For instance, the Fed could have used this authority to ban option ARMs. It could have required lenders to verify income and employment -- as it wants to do for subprime loans beginning in October 2009.

The Fed explains that the new rules are designed to "prohibit a lender from making a loan without regard to borrowers' ability to repay the loan from income and assets other than the home's value. A lender complies, in part, by assessing repayment ability based on the highest scheduled payment in the first seven years of the loan."

Of course, the Fed does not want to bother its client bankers and so the new rules apply only to a few loans and not all loans -- as if there are no problems with Alt-A and prime mortgages. See:

Do New Mortgage Rules Make Borrowers Safer?

None of this is unknown or surprising. I have been arguing against so-called "affordability" mortgage products since at least 2004 and in 2006 told the Association of License Law Officials that:

"We now have a situation where stated income loans, interest-only financing, option ARMs and excess equity loans have begun to season. That means we will soon begin to see more and more of these mortgages convert to phase two, a time when monthly payments must be substantially higher to amortize the loan.

"The result is that a growing number of recent property owners will find that they have homes and investments which cannot be sold at a profit � as well as homes and investments which cost too much to carry. The fruits of this impossible dilemma will be more properties for sale, more supply, more pressure to moderate if not lower prices, more foreclosures and more bankruptcies. Even those without a mortgage may find that the value of their home will drop as neighbors who financed imprudently rush to dump their properties on the market."

See: Toxic Loans: The Coming Storm

and

Mortgage Surprise? What Mortgage Surprise?

The claim that markets can run themselves without regulation has proven to be a disaster. No one should be surprised -- but everyone should be inflamed at the failure of government regulators to protect our markets and the value of our homes.

All the best,


Peter G. Miller
OurBroker(r)
www.ourbroker.com







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Tal Kramer Licensed Real Estate Agent,  GA

Date: September 16, 2008

Failure of Nations Largest Banks - effect on Realtors

Two quick points of clarification... I believe the FDIC $100,000 guarantee is per account! If you have $200,000 in one account only the first $100,000 is protected, whereas if its in two accounts of $100,000 each, even at the same institution, then you are fully protected.

Second point... Things are bad but as always they need to be put in perspective. The market crashed 4.5% yesterday. It dropped over 20% in one day back in the 80's (not sure of the exact year). This too will pass and things will improve in the near future.

Tal Kramer

Tal and Jeanette Kramer
Re/Max Communities
- Metro Atlanta
770-971-0025
Mobile: 678-978-1900
Kramer@MyDreamHome.com
www.MyDreamHome.com

We're never too busy for your referrals :-)
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Tom Hathaway Licensed Real Estate Broker,  TN

Date: September 16, 2008

Deede writes:
<<I hope that if the banks even TRY to dip their little toe into our industry again, that they will be cut down quickly. I, personally, feel that selling real estate and doing my own loans is a conflict of interest, and I certainly feel that BANKS (lenders) selling real estate is just letting the fox in the hen house.>>
 
I suspect one of many new regulations which will come out of all of this mess will be that real estate licensees no longer will be allowed to originate loans or act as mortgage brokers. I believe this will likely be part of a total overhaul of licensure issues and restrictions on who does what in the future regarding the mortgage process. I don't believe it will be seen as an attack on Realtors but more of a crack down on mortgage originators (working as mortgage brokers and for lenders). And lets face it, if we are to say banks (lenders) should not represent buyers and sellers as real estate licensees, then we should be willing to accept that real estate licensees should not also try to represent the lender as originators.
 
This is of course just another example of "dual agency", where the Realtor attempts to represent the best interest of his/her consumer client, while at the same time representing the best interest of the lender for whom the originator has agreed to represent.
 
Tom Hathaway
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Ginger Allen Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Annapolis,  MD

Date: September 16, 2008

Tom Hathaway says:  Do you feel more comfortable with Obama wanting to redistribute what little wealth there might be, do you want McCain to support the big corporations? Asked another way would be, do you want Obama to increase taxes to help distribute the wealth, or do you want to see McCain cut taxes when the country is already broke? Tough decisions. And frankly I don't know if either one of them have what it takes to lead us out of the current financial situation.

I say:  I would really prefer not to see politics enter our real estate discussions and ordinarily I would just ignore a comment like this - however - given the fact that even Karl Rove has admitted that McCain's misleading political ads are not presenting the facts accurately - and also given that most people don't really bother to check out the facts for themselves and instead get their political information from offhand comments such as the above - I feel I must respond.

Please take a moment to check out the facts.  Barack Obama's website www.barackobama.com clearly spells out his tax plans.  He is NOT planning on raising taxes for most Americans.  For 95% of all Americans he will be lowering taxes.  He will also be lowering taxes on small businesses - like, say, on real estate agents, for instance.  He will be making it easier for us to get affordable health insurance.  He will be making taxes less taxing for 95% of us.  He is interested in getting us out of Iraq and off of foreign oil - thereby keeping more of America's dollars in America and helping our economy.

Sounds good to me.  Sorry for this political interuption.

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Date: September 16, 2008

September 15, 2008 8:58 AM
From what I am reading it seems as if our country has been, and is still, not only in a recession but also teetering on the edge of a depression. We all know what the effect of more bank failures will bring, and when the top banks fail as they are, it is not out of reason that people will begin to panic and withdraw their money from banks and the stock market. The questions is, will people panic?

The old $100,000 guarantee from the government is not much of a reassurance at these days. First $100,000 is not what it was when the FDIC was formed. A ton of people have much more than that in banks and securities around the country. And a large number of retirements plans that Americans have are tied very closely to the stock market through 401Ks and a variety of other investments. Second, as the Government would need to do to meet the guarantees, printing more money would just devalue the U.S. Dollar to point none of us would want to see.

We can only wait and see what happens the next few weeks and months. What effect will the elections have on all of this? Who knows. Do you feel more comfortable with Obama wanting to redistribute what little wealth there might be, do you want McCain to support the big corporations? Asked another way would be, do you want Obama to increase taxes to help distribute the wealth, or do you want to see McCain cut taxes when the country is already broke? Tough decisions. And frankly I don't know if either one of them have what it takes to lead us out of the current financial situation.

Another issue I believe we will all be facing soon is much more regulation at all levels of the real estate industry. I expect the Feds will begin passing federal regulations, probably through HUD, that will directly impact on each of us as Real Estate Licensees. Recently while in D.C., I heard some rumblings about some form of Federal Licensure, which would be in addition to state licensure, so action could be taken against the license of those in real estate (Realtors, Appraisers, Lenders, Mortgage Brokers) instead of going to court to take action against the individual.

The good thing about all of this is that I doubt NAR has to worry much about Banks getting into the real estate brokerage business for a long long time. Just think how much worse things might be right now had the banks been directly involved in all ends of the real estate industry the past 5-10 years.

Your thoughts are welcomed

Tom Hathaway
The Buyer's Agent

Dear Tom,

Personally, I would like to see any candidate for public office above mayor, be required to study our constitution and laws of the land, pass tests based on their studies, provide references from past jobs and lastly, provide proof that they are indeed eligible to hold office in our government. No affiliations with questionable characters, etc., would be allowed.
To hold any one of the three (different fields) state licenses I have obtained over the years, I have had to pay for my schooling, pass rigorous tests, and in some cases, provide proof of my good health, just to be able to then, build up my clientele and serve the public in business. Don't forget the time, costs and taxes associated with that. Any professional usually has to complete these steps.
Why should our elected officials be able to put on a show, win over naive voters, get a seat in a high office, draw a large salary with elaborate perks (whether they show up for work or not) and then cash in on a really nice retirement? I think it is time for Americans to show our frustrations by frequent letters to congressmen and senators to let them know we are tired of it. As dues-paying members of the Realtor organizations, we have a loud voice.
 


Glenda Topping
Bob Parks Realty
1734 S. Rutherford Blvd
Murfreesboro, TN 37130
Cell 615-584-7755
 


 

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Ronny Geenen Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Glendora,  CA

Date: September 16, 2008

Deede says:

I have often thought recently about how truly messed up the Real Estate industry would be if the banks had been allowed to get into real estate. These are SALARIED people. They just do not think like we do and do not have the 'get up and go' to make difficult things happen. It is now so obvious that the buying and selling public could not possibly be well served by 9-5 Mon-Fri salaried agents. What motivation is there to push hard to get difficult things done?

I hope that if the banks even TRY to dip their little toe into our industry again, that they will be cut down quickly. I, personally, feel that selling real estate and doing my own loans is a conflict of interest, and I certainly feel that BANKS (lenders) selling real estate is just letting the fox in the hen house.


 

I agree with you, that lending banks should not do Real Estate because of a conflict of interest.

But, if they set up a Real Estate section and hired Realtors for a minimum wage and let them work like other Realtors, it might create a benefit for them. Base on that minimum salary they can have medical insurance and a Roth Ira and 14 days paid vacation.

Your comments about SALARIED people are totally wrong. Salaried people are also motivated, self starting hard working people. As an merchant marine engineering officer I have spent 10 years of my life on mammoth oil tankers and the standard working week was 11 hrs a day 7 days a week. During engine troubles we keep working until the problem is fixed. I have once worked for 44 hours with little brakes to eat. And that in a temperature of 125 degrees. Later I worked as a Design Engineer involved in developing refineries all over the world. And when we start a project, the client always wanted that we finished the project yesterday. That means a lot of overtime and weekend work.
I do not know what kind of experience you have with salaried workers. Please explain.

RG

Glendora, CA 91741

Info@RonnyGeenen.com

Http://CaFoothillsRealEstate.com

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Robert King Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Saint Petersburg,  FL

Date: September 17, 2008

 

Tom voices a most interesting response:
 
"The good thing about all of this is that I doubt NAR has to worry much about Banks getting into the real estate brokerage business for a long long time. Just think how much worse things might be right now had the banks been directly involved in all ends of the real estate industry the past 5-10 years".
 
Tom! Get a clue! The banks have been in the Real Estate Industry for a lot longer than “5-10 years”.  Unfortunately they do not call themselves "real estate brokers or licensees".  Actually licensure is not required to sell foreclosures off a banking website!  As for, "how much worse things might be right now".  Do you actually think these lenders loaned all that money while HUD winked its eye so the “have-nots” could afford a house?  Get a clue Tom, winking the eye is what contributed to all this "doom and gloom" we the informed, claim isn't happening.  These tycoons came for what they wanted regardless of all the pain and suffering. They came for the DEED to the property. And they certainly do not want to contribute to the Realtors for their miss-guided lending practices.  This is why NAR approves their limits on commissions. Now that the pain is being felt among us, we take what we can get. Right?  Mission accomplished if you ask me, they got what they came after! The DEED! 
 
We all have a choice this November.   "Redistribution" or a "Committee". Either way it’s going to be a government regulator completing their buearocratic assignment. Don’t you find it amazing after all these years HUD has finally stepped up to the plate and raise the ceiling limits on loans to an affordable $417k? Isn’t that nice of them to finally come to our rescue? Or is that just too obtuse? Now the Government is going to step in and re-regulate Fannie and Freddie? Isn’t that nice of them to paint this picture that they are looking out for us? Who do you think has been regulating Fannie and Freddie since their inception? The choices are not good come this November. But Redistribution through higher taxes or printing money is not the solution. Isn’t Affordable Housing just another word for “redistribution”. Keeping the “have-nots” satisfied? Gives a new perspective to how much is “enough”?
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