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Randall Fullerton, Information Technology,  Charlotte,  NC

Date: February 6, 2008, Number of Replies: 7


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This was pulled from Information Week...

The Slow Pace of Upgrades to Vista
As evidence of Vista's success, in addition to those 100 million sales, Charney cited CDW's third annual Vista tracking poll. The IT services company concludes that 48 percent of corporate IT departments in the U.S. are using or evaluating Vista. This number is up from 29 percent a year ago, which is good news for Microsoft. But that still means half of enterprise users are sitting tight, and indicates a slow rate of adoption for the OS. As InformationWeek reporter Paul McDougall calculated recently, Vista has not made the same inroads in the marketplace as Windows XP did in its first year.
The consumer market seems to be taking its time to decide about Vista, as well: Microsoft's figures for sales growth are about 2 percent higher than the growth in PC sales during the past year, which increased about 11 percent. It appears that when new PCs come with Vista installed, consumers are accepting it, but there's no substantial movement to upgrade existing PCs.

Are both businesses and consumers shying away from Vista? "It's certainly been adopted by enterprises fairly slowly, and I hear normal everyday consumers that don't know that much about technology say they're wary about moving to it, which is odd," said Gartner analyst Michael Silver, responding to emailed questions.

When asked about Vista's pluses and minuses, Both Charney and Silver respond by talking about Windows XP, but in different ways.

Silver responded not with specifics, but with a comparison: "Really, the biggest issue is that Vista is not 'better enough' than XP in visible ways, and there are always pains in any migration. Windows XP was so much better than what came before it (Win98 and ME for consumers), that the pain was worth the benefit and quickly forgotten. When the benefit is harder to see, the pain becomes an issue," said Silver.

When asked what had been the positives and negatives of Vista's first year, Charney spoke first about the extension of Windows XP's lifespan as having been "pushed back out to normal. We'd shortened it when Vista came out and we extended it [from January 31 to June 30 of this year]. "We want customers to move when they're ready. We've recognized that it takes time to make this move."

A slower-than-expected pace of corporate adoption doesn't surprise Silver, who predicted before Vista shipped that the enterprise market would take 18 months to begin to move to Vista. He said, "In the enterprise, you'd really need to compare Vista with Windows 2000, the last major release there (Windows XP was a minor release and easier to adopt). I don't think Win2000 got the negative reputation Vista has now, but it also took enterprises a good 12 to18 months of planning and testing until they really started moving."

Compatibility remains an issue
The biggest issues with Vista have been application compatibility and general stability, and, Michael Silver noted, "Microsoft has gotten quite good at sending down updates each month to address these items. Of course, it's still hard to replace a stable and compatible platform with one that is even a little less so."

There are a couple of issues at work here, he said: "First, Microsoft made some conscious decisions to sacrifice some compatibility for security improvements and in many cases, those were probably the right decisions because they really needed to get security right. And second, Microsoft did a lot to maintain compatibility, but inevitably they had to break something. The number of legacy applications continues to grow and there's no way they can support everything. With the huge installed base, it's next to impossible to make sure everything works."

Enterprise customers have complained that Vista is incompatible with custom applications and software like terminal emulators. Consumers have found that Vista broke widely used utility applications like iTunes and Adobe Reader, and the cost of upgrading to Vista also included an outlay for new versions of some applications like Adobe Photoshop.

Historically, Microsoft has done an exceptional job of keeping new versions of Windows backward-compatible with older applications, which has made Vista's compatibility issues even more visible. The biggest cause of compatibility issues appears to be new security features like User Account Control, which tightens up administrator control of the PC, something older software was sometimes casual about.

Microsoft remains committed to User Account Control despite negative reactions from reviewers and users, at least on the evidence of the first service pack for the OS. The beta versions of Vista SP 1, which is due in the first quarter, have made only minor changes -- so far just two fixes address UAC, and the one most likely to be noticed reduces the number of UAC prompts from four to one when you create or rename a folder at a protected location.

Microsoft has warned that SP 1 won't make a major improvement in Vista's compatibility with existing applications: "We've tried to set expectations for folks," said Charney.

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Date: February 6, 2008

Randall quoted an article which said:

Microsoft has warned that SP 1 won't make a major improvement in Vista's compatibility with existing applications: "We've tried to set expectations for folks," said Charney.

I can vouch for that!  My friend bought a new PC with Vista Home Premium edition already loaded.  We thought we asked all the right questions.  Knew we had to buy a new version of QuickBooks because hers wasn’t compatible.  Made the decision to do without a couple of other things.  Got it to her home office and only then discovered:

1.  Vista Home Premium has NO fax capability.  None, Nada!  Was never built in.  You have to upgrade to Vista Business to get fax capability. The sales guys at the store had no clue that this was the case.

2.  Her printer (LJ1000) is not supported.  We managed to find a work around by downloading the XP driver, but never thought of that as being a problem.

3.  Of course, when you upgrade to Vista Business to get fax capability, you lose what little word processing came with Vista Home Premium, i.e., those word processing documents we transferred to her new computer aren’t recognized at all and there is no ability to create new documents. So now she has to purchase Office 2007 or 2008 or whatever the latest and greatest version is. 

4.  Of course, they all come pre-loaded with all the Symantec computer hogs which have to be uninstalled.

5.  AND, most importantly, what few games came with Home Premium are missing in Business.  That made her really mad ;-)

Oh, I forgot to mention that Business does a clean install.  Wipes out everything and then installs itself.  Luckily the sales guy knew that so we were prepared but we still had to reload everything we had already loaded.  What a pain!

Vista may be worth it in the long run, but it is extremely time consuming to get it up and running.

Andi

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Steven Hong Licensed Real Estate Agent,  minneapolis,  MN

Date: February 7, 2008

Ok. Sounds like that person should have looked into it a bit more before they purchased the computer.

 

One could have used the “Windows Anytime Upgrade feature, which is built into Vista to upgrade to Vista Business. I for one, purchased the machine with Vista Business, because I run a business and knew that I needed business features.

 

And Quickbooks is not compatible with Vista? I am running Quickbooks 2003 on Vista just fine. No issues at all. I balance accounts, print checks, print invoices, e-mail invoices, it all works just fine with no issues.

 

One other thing, when you buy a computer for a home , it comes loaded with crap. Usually when you buy a computer for business such as Dellâ's Small Business division, it comes with far less crap.

 

I'm always surprised when people just go out and buy whatever. I always research before I buy so that I know what I'm getting. I can relate an example of when I purchased my truck. I walked into the dealer to order the truck (new model) and told the sales person that I wanted the 1LS package, with one specific engine, one specific transmission, a specific set of tires and wheels, etc.

 

Point being, I knew what I wanted. In fact, I knew the options better than the sales person.

 

In our industry, people get an inspection so they know what they are getting. When they buy cars, they visit websites so that they know what features they are getting. What makes it so different for a computer? Why do so many people just buy whatever is on the shelf?

 

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Rich Hudson Information Technology,  San Diego,  CA

Date: February 8, 2008

Ok. Sounds like that person should have looked into it a bit more before they purchased the computer.

 

One could have used the Windows Anytime Upgrade feature, which is built into Vista to upgrade to Vista Business. I for one, purchased the machine with Vista Business, because I run a business and knew that I needed business features...

 

Steven Hong

 

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Here is my marketing gem of the day. Ask for information on any product or service BEFORE YOU BUY.

 

Thanks.

 

Rich Hudson
Director of PR/Marketing
InternetCrusade
(619) 283-7302 Ext. 602
Rich@InternetCrusade.com
 

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Debra Cummings Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Seneca,  SC

Date: June 10

I searched in the archives and didn't find any recent discussion about Vista. Happened to make acquaintance with an 89 year old recently who needs a new computer. All new computers are being sold with Vista. Have their earlier problems been worked out?

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Mark Burrell,  Anaheim Hills,  CA

Date: June 11

One of the first questions when buying a computer (or anything really) is what do you want to do with it. For a computer that will determine what sofware you will need and that will lead you to the operating systems that it will run on... having said that... in general, you can probably find what you need to run on the Windows operating system and then it's a matter of what version of Windows is supported by that software. Having said that... Vista runs fine on a compatible machine as long as it's properly configured with compatible software/hardware. I can't imagine what an 89-year old person would need to do that can't be done on a Windows Vista machine. BTW, Vista Service Pack2 (SP2) was recently released so Vista is not a 'new' operating system anymore.

BTW, Windows 7 (in Release Candidate testing now) is pretty cool and uses the same look and feel of Windows Vista for the most part. My $.02 worth. ($.10 before taxes). ;-)

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Mark Jay Information Technology,  Brookfield,  WI

Date: June 11

Debra Cummings writes in part:

I …Happened to make acquaintance with an 89 year old recently who needs a new computer. All new computers are being sold with Vista. Have their earlier problems been worked out?

Mark Jay responds:

There really weren't any real "problems" with Vista but to the extent there were any problems those problems ARE "worked out". Vista is up to SP2.

It makes sense to wait until June 26th to buy a computer because that's the date that most computer sellers will have the ability to offer a "free" upgrade to Windows 7. Here's a link that discusses this upgrade program…. http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=217800056

I think it's especially important for someone approaching 90 years to have the latest and the greatest! … So shop around and maybe wait a short while….

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Rich Hudson Information Technology,  San Diego,  CA

Date: June 11

Debra Cummings Licensed Real Estate Agent Seneca, SC
June 10, 2009 2:55 PM

I searched in the archives and didn't find any recent discussion about Vista. Happened to make acquaintance with an 89 year old recently who needs a new computer. All new computers are being sold with Vista. Have their earlier problems been worked out?

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If you go to the RealTalk archives and do a search for Vista you will get more than a dozen entires with Vista as the keyword.

Go to My RealTown, Communities and then select RealTalk. There's a Search box and a link to the Archives.

http://www.realtown.com/community/

Rich Hudson

Director of PR/Marketing

Internet Crusade

(619) 283-7302 Ext. 602

Rich@InternetCrusade.com

 
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