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 Integrity in the Real Estate Profession

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James Beeharilal, Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Bladensburg,  MD

Date: December 15, 2007, Number of Replies: 28


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It is a pity that the average consumer still looks upon real estate agents as individuals who cannot be trusted, as a result of their bitter experience with the few bad eggs(agents) out there. These agents also adopt cut-throat devious tactics on good, honest hard-working agents in order to obtain listings or carry out sales.
 
We need to find a way to weed out these people from our
reputable profession.
 
James Beeharilal, GRI
Century 21 Advantage Realty
Lanham, MD 20706
301-577-4300 Office
301-699-9573 Direct
301-699-3909 Fax
jimbeeharilal@mris.com
 
 
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ronny.geenen@verizon.net

Date: December 15, 2007

 
James Beeharilal, GRI wrote:
It is a pity that the average consumer still looks upon real estate agents as individuals who cannot be trusted, as a result of their bitter experience with the few bad eggs(agents) out there. These agents also adopt cut-throat devious tactics on good, honest hard-working agents in order to obtain listings or carry out sales.
We need to find a way to weed out these people from our
reputable profession.
I have heard different stories and those stories relate to a few good agents.
If the Real Estate industry has such a bad name, it is not caused by a few, but by many. Being more than 20 years in this business I have seen more bad apples than a few.
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Pam Ghanaati Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Norman,  OK

Date: December 15, 2007

Amen! You are preaching to the choir. I agree that we need some way to upgrade our profession, especially in the public eye. Of course, the way some of the our fellow "professionals" act is the reason the public has such a dim view of us as a whole. It is also why many real estate agents are so cut-throat, they have been burned before by other agents. I don't know what the solution is though. We already have mandatory ethics training. But as one person mentioned, "You can't TEACH ethics to people. They either have ethics or they don't." And of course those that don't are not going to learn anything by attending mandatory classes/training.
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jocelyn@puntacanalife.com Licensed Real Estate Broker

Date: December 16, 2007

 

Hi James,

I agree. I now live in Punta Cana in Dominican Republic- where Real Estate is now in the beginning

stages of being regulated- after a USA model.  There are more than a few bad eggs out here...

so far the association is small, but is keeping some very strict guidelines that I believe do help

expecially with the new wave of North American buyers coming in- who have some doubts abt dealing

with RE agents here.

Jocelyn Hernández Irizarry
Punta Cana LifeRealty
Cell (809) 675-9648 | Office (809) 552-0421  |  Fax (305) 428-2722
Email
jocelyn@puntacanalife.com | Web www.puntacanalife.com
Plaza Sun Beach Nº 5; Carretera El Cortecito; Bávaro-Punta Cana, Dominican Republic

Life is what happens to you while you’re busy making other plans.
—John Lennon

 

 

Integrity in the Real Estate Profession
James Beeharilal
Saturday, December 15th, 2007, 5:40 PM PST
It is a pity that the average consumer still looks upon real estate agents as individuals who cannot be trusted, as a result of their bitter experience with the few bad eggs(agents) out there. These agents also adopt cut-throat devious tactics on good, honest hard-working agents in order to obtain listings or carry out sales.
 
We need to find a way to weed out these people from our
reputable profession.
 
James Beeharilal, GRI
Century 21 Advantage Realty
Lanham, MD 20706
301-577-4300 Office
301-699-9573 Direct
301-699-3909 Fax
jimbeeharilal@mris.com
 
 
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Merv Burgard Real Estate Attorney

Date: December 16, 2007

Apart from mandatory ethics seminars, an interesting discussion might be how
well the REALTOR Code is enforced by your Board or the state laws enforced
by your regulator.
What are the 'typical' penalties for a breach of the REALTOR Code, or of the
regulator's rules?
Is that enough in your opinion?
Are they broadly reported in the local media so that the public is aware
that something is being done?
Merv.
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203-219 Oxford Street West
London, Ontario, Canada N6H 1S5
phone: 519-679-9900
fax: 519-679-8546
e-mail: mburgard@ody.ca

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Neal Adler, gri,abr, e-Pro Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Studio City,  CA

Date: December 16, 2007

RE: Bad Agents
 
I cannot tell you folks how many times I hear agents complaining about the bad apples.  I would ask a rhetorical question.  When was the last time anyone filed an ethics complaint? If you've just completed a bad transaction how many have talked to the broker about it?  Don't anyone say no one doesn't do anything because that's not true.  I've sat on many ethics hearings and when an agent acted in an egregious manner we often times would hand out still penalties..
 
Instead of complaining get involved.  Get on the Grievance, MLS, Pro Standards Committees.  Become a member of your board of directors or become a state director.  It's sad that in my association of nearly 12,000 members I would guess maybe 100 or so agents are involved and get things done.  You'll find the time and effort very worthwhile.  There's a side benefit, it may even help your business.

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Judi Bryan Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Carol Stream,  IL

Date: December 16, 2007

James Beeharilal, GRI wrote:

It is a pity that the average consumer still looks upon real estate agents as individuals who cannot be trusted, as a result of their bitter experience with the few bad eggs(agents) out there. These agents also adopt cut-throat devious tactics on good, honest hard-working agents in order to obtain listings or carry out sales.  We need to find a way to weed out these people from our reputable profession.

Ronny Greenan responds:  I have heard different stories and those stories relate to a few good agents.

If the Real Estate industry has such a bad name, it is not caused by a few, but by many. Being more than 20 years in this business I have seen more bad apples than a few.

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As an industry, it seems to me, we’ve done a royal job of shooting ourselves in the foot!  Every year companies hand out awards to agents, announce to the public Suzie Smith of Grope & Fumble Realty has just received the Million Dollar Producer Award.  Now, 25 years ago that had a BIT of meaning (though still not much) when the average house was $70,000 or $80,000.  That meant that Suzie sold 13 or 14 houses…just over one a month.  Heck, now it means Suzie, in many markets around the country, sold 3 or 4!!!  But agents still tout it on their business cards…and what does the CONSUMER think????  The consumer thinks Suzie made a Million Dollars!!!  Do you think they might be a little resentful???  Some poor guy just lost his job, is forced to sell his home, and in his eagerness to get it sold before the bank comes knocking at the door…he hires Suzie (the “millionaire”).  And Suzie might only do this part time … yet she makes “all that money”….there must, then, be absolutely NO DOUBT that she’s WAY overpaid for what she does!!!!  Doesn’t matter that it’s NOT TRUE….Perception IS reality!

And the very nature of our business doesn’t help either.  That “free CMA” that consumers are encouraged to get (not 1 or 2…how about 3 or 4 to find out what agents REALLY THINK!)…what are they really getting?  Many of us, I KNOW, work very hard at trying to give that consumer a realistic picture of the market, and how that market impacts the salability and pricing of their home.  But what happens?   How many times have you lost a listing to someone who told the seller they’d get them a higher price…only to see price reduction after price reduction, until it gets down into the “real world” (the price you gave them in the FIRST PLACE!) and gets a contract.  That’s great…you were RIGHT.  Well, I don’t know about you, but my mortgage company doesn’t care whether I was right or not….they want CASH!  So the agent who “sold” the seller…rather than the one who “served” the sellers best interest…was the one who ultimately got paid!   What sense does THAT make!!!  I wish I could say that that sort of thing is the exception…but frankly I see it happen a lot…to a lot of very good, high caliber agents who I know would better serve the interests of the seller had they not been passed over for a “slick Willy”.   And please don’t misunderstand me…I’m not saying we don’t “sell”…of course sales is integral to the conduct of our business.  However, sales is not the ONLY necessary component.

And even IF the seller, for example, is savvy enough to avoid an agent trying to “buy their listing”, how TOTALLY UNBIASED can we be in giving a totally realistic assessment of the market to a prospective seller when we know that what we tell them will, in all likelihood, determine whether we EVER have the opportunity to get paid or not!!!   There’s an inherent conflict of interest in how we are trained to work.  I think that conflict (and the fact the consumer KNOWS there is a conflict) also triggers some mistrust in the consumer’s mind.  And why wouldn’t it?  Think about it….how often have you gone into a store where the sales people are commission based.  You ask a question … salesman gives you an answer.  How often do YOU question the sincerity of his answer when that answer might well determine whether he makes a sale to you (and gets paid) or not!!!  All of this contributes to public mistrust….EVEN IF THEIR OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCES WITH THEIR OWN AGENTS HAVE BEEN POSITIVE.  I forget that NAR stats, but as I recall, their surveys have indicated that about 70% of consumers said they would hire the same agent again (though I must question how valid the survey is…again, that whole “self interest” thing keeps cropping up in my mind).

All of this is exactly why I deciding to bring consulting into my business…it opens up so many doors!!!  People can hire an experienced agent to give them a TOTALLY UNBIASED assessment of a homes value, investment strategy, improve-or-move scenario, etc….and they KNOW it’s unbiased because they’re paying for it.  It’s much like shopping at a store where sales people are not on commission…I can ask the salesman “which is better, Brand A or Brand B”…and when he answers I’m comfortable that it’s his honest answer….because he’s paid either way.

In the interest of full disclosure here, I should mention that I’ve recently been named to the Council of the consulting program I’m with….ACRE, but I could only have accepted the post if I really believed in the concept AND in their approach to training and supporting it.  ACRE is a RealTown approved vendor, and if anyone is interested in learning more about it, simply click the ACRE link in my sig. 

I’ve said it many times before, and I’ll say it once more:  Our industry is changing, whether we want it to or not.  If we do not design the change to be productive for both our clients and ourselves, the change will be forced upon us by other powers with very deep pockets…and chances are those changes will benefit NEITHER ourselves OR the consumer!!!!

JudiB

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gbcosta@yahoo.com

Date: December 16, 2007

 
Hi James,

I agree. I now live in Punta Cana in Dominican
Republic- where Real Estate is now in the beginning

stages of being regulated- after a USA model. There
are more than a few bad eggs out here...

so far the association is small, but is keeping some
very strict guidelines that I believe do help

expecially with the new wave of North American buyers
coming in- who have some doubts abt dealing

with RE agents here.

Jocelyn Hernández Irizarry

I envy you, I visited there and found it beatiful, I
have a half brother that lived there. I was in
(excuse spelling) Helabcour, Stantiago, and Puerto
Plata, San Juan. I looked at a 3 bedroom condo on San
Souci Beach ( is that correct.), again excuse the
spelling and its to late for me to look it up.

How is the market there now? How is the rentals, I
would appreciate if you would contact me at my direct
e-mail Glory@GloryBeeCosta.com I am still
considering buying a townhouse, duplex or condo there.
What about property managment.

Glory Bee Costa ABR, CRS, GRI, E-PRO, SRES
410-745-3241-Home Office
410-310-9081-Cell
http://www.Maryland-WaterFront-Homes.com
E-Mail-Glory@GloryBeeCosta.com
Maryland Counties (Eastern Shore)
Talbot, Queen Anne, Caroline & Dorchester
Prudential Premier Properties - Easton, MD - Associate Broker

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cford@apexlending.com

Date: December 17, 2007

 

Monday, December 17th, 2007, 7:55 AM PST

Ronny, I have to agree with you, being a real estate agent of integrity is more unusual than most of us would like to admit.  I know I do not do as much business as those movers and shakers but I sleep soundly knowing the people I have been involved with were treated right and may come back someday.  There is a lot to be said for doing people right, you know the old what comes around goes around thing.  If we want a better reptutation, then we need to start earning it, on client at a time.  Things could turn around very quickly if we did, but it would not be effective unless mandated in order to keep your license.  Too many have made too much doing things the wrong way, and like the old saying goes; if a majority in this industry keep doing business the same way, we will keep getting the same results.  

 

 

Well I think there may be more integrity issues on the mortgage side.

 

Do any agents use a net branch to originate loans for their clients like Apex Lending?



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Melina Tomson Licensed Real Estate Broker,  OR

Date: December 17, 2007

Merv,

Our local MLS does not require Realtor membership, so I'd say maybe 30% or so belong to NAR.  So if you want to file a complaint against a non-NAR agent, you have to go with state agency laws.  I am actually going to file my first complaint against a real estate agent after a deal closes with our state agency.  I could file a complaint with NAR, and so they kick her out?  So what, she can still practice.  Losing Realtor status only matters when the local MLS requires membership.  If you can't participate in the MLS, you can't do business very easily.

This discussion can go around a million times, but it is the responsibility of the principal broker to choose good people to work for the company.  We actually had a local principal broker, who didn't lose his license, but is not allowed to supervise other people, so he can only be a sole broker.  Oregon has some of the tougher licensing requirements from my understanding, but this is really a hands on experience type of job.  The current real estate model supports a sales model (throw them to the wolves and see who services) rather than a service model, which would require some type of internship/apprenticeship.


Melina Tomson, MS
ABR, e-PRO
melina@tomsonburnham.com
www.TomsonBurnham.com
ph: 503-371-6515
fax: 503-588-1628

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