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Michael Richman Licensed Real Estate Broker,  New York,  NY

Date: May 24

TX-Lindy wrote "We could go back to, like the old days, getting home-loans only from local banks, which have a vested interest in their communities."

Lindy,

I love the sentiment, but it is about as likely to happen as putting the genie back in the bottle. Besides, if it happens, we then have a smaller market.

Michael Richman, MUP, MBA
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-------- Original Message --------
> From: "TX-Lindy" <RealTalk@RealTown.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 12:46 AM
> To: "Michael Richman" <mrichman@herndoneagleton.com>
> Subject: RealTalk: Re: New Proposed Use of Tax Credit ID00DUKH
>
> Nope, 1billion is 1million x 1thousand... not a million x
> million.
>
> Jeez, this sure is a good thread... I must find time to read all of
> it, and click on all the links.
>
> I wonder how many homes were sold nationwide in the past month, or
> year....
>
> then divide that into the $170billion for AIG et al....
>
> and soon GM again.
>
> Does this absurdity not register with the economists?
>
> Do they not understand that by letting AIG or ANY big corporation
> bite the dust, that another will quickly pop up to fill the
> void?
>
> We could go back to, like the old days, getting home-loans only
> from local banks, which have a vested interest in their
> communities.
>
> We could see some new car-building companies emerge, and probably
> better, given the green generation. And plenty of workforce
> available to them.
>
> For OUR gov't to give that money away is beyond obscene....
> and yet IRS will squeeze every little dollar it can from a family
> (or a Realtor...) making $40K a year.
>
> AIG is an investor... why is our gov't more concerned with
> investors than it's people?
>
> Investors invest.... they know they are taking a risk... if they
> lose, it's on them.
>
> But to take the gov't's money, to shore up the
> investors.... omg, it's too sickening.
>
> Perhaps if they had to literally hand over the CASH, in front of
> TV cameras, they might think twice....
>
> yup, off-track again,
>
> Lindy in Houston
>
> ======================================================================
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Tom Hathaway Licensed Real Estate Broker,  TN

Date: May 24

Mark Jay,
You are so full of crap. I have never said listing agents should not be allowed to "sell" their brokerage firms listings. All I have said was wrong was this practice is that that listing agents often tell buyers they would "represent" them or "take care of them" on properties their brokerage firm had listed for sale.

Certainly I feel buyers have a better chance of being truly represented by an Exclusive Buyer Agency because of no other reason than an Exclusive Buyer's Agent never tries to change representation mid stream depending on the property being shown, because their brokerage firm never list properties for sale. That my fellow Realtor is a fact of life.

So why don't you just get over it?

Tom Hathaway


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Lindy Hall Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Houston,  TX

Date: May 25

Michael, since writing that, about getting home-loans from local banks, like in the old days, I wish I had added that we could also get loans thru some of the credit unions, too.... we have dozens of those (Presuming they still do home-loans... I haven't done one of those in many years.)

I could see that, as you said, making for a smaller marketplace in many small towns, but you're in NewYork, and I'm in Houston, and we have one helluva lotta banks, even when you don't count the BigBoys.

It may seem fanciful, but if AIG were allowed to go belly-up, as it should, and FNMA went broke, it's not all that unlikely that we would be looking to the local lenders... always have a Plan B. :o)

Lindy in Houston



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Date: May 25

I agree with T.Wayne Rudd comments below that Mark Jay needs to go back and study college Government or Civics -- or History .
And as T.Wayne Rudd said Mark Jay should not even mentioned the topic in this forum.
"" I have to add my "two cents" in here. Mark Jay, I think you need to go back and study your college Government or Civics classes, because you seem to be confusing Socialism, Anarchy, Dictatorship, Communism and Fascism. The United States was formed as a Republic, and is growing further and further away from that, and closer and closer to a socialist FORM of government, under what amounts to a judicial, and, in my opinion, of late an executive, oligarchy. If you can't see that, I'm truly sorry for you, my friend. But you are correct, Somalia isn't socialist, it's anarchist. Having said all of that, is this really the forum for this discussion?"

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Date: May 25

There is one main reason why they DON'T distribute $170,000, $1,700,000, or $1,700,000,000 to everybody in the U.S: That is because they know that the same people who have all the money now will wind up with all the money THEN, after the re-distribution of the money as noted at the top. This way (not that I agree with it) they can control to whom they are giving away all that money, especially their friends, cohorts and cronies.
 
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Mark Jay Information Technology,  Brookfield,  WI

Date: May 27

Tom Hathaway writes in part:

Mark Jay, You are so full of crap. I have never said listing agents should not be allowed to "sell" their brokerage firms listings. All I have said was wrong was this practice is that that listing agents often tell buyers they would "represent" them or "take care of them" on properties their brokerage firm had listed for sale.

Mark Jay responds:

The fact is that only a small sliver of the vast majority of real estate Brokers who list AND sell real estate ever tell consumers they are working with that they would "represent" them in the sale of their own listings. It's contrary to every state's law that I'm aware of, contrary to the spirit of the REALTOR code of Ethics and completely unnecessary under designated agency.

So "Listing Agents" don't OFTEN tell buyers that they would represent them.

During the discussions that occurred years ago here the suggestion WAS made by you and your followers that to "cure" the nonexistent problem you again mention above "Listing Agents" should not be allowed to sell their own listings.

If I had the time I'd dig your comments out of the archives but I'm on to the contemporary issues of the day… I DO agree that the Exclusive Buyer's Agency debates are over, though… O-V-E-R…

In fact; another well known REALTOR enemy like you: Tom Early, has taken down his Buyer's Brokerage web site. Here's the link: http://www.buyersbrokerage.com so for tOMe it looks like he really DID "get over it" as you suggest I do.

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Lou Frey Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Santa Fe,  NM

Date: May 30

Mark Jay wrote

The fact is that only a small sliver of the vast majority of real estate Brokers who list AND sell real estate ever tell consumers they are working with that they would "represent" them in the sale of their own listings. It's contrary to every state's law that I'm aware of, contrary to the spirit of the REALTOR code of Ethics and completely unnecessary under designated agency.

I am not sure I really understand what he is saying. I don't think I ever knew a Realtor who didn't say they were representing the seller. I would like to know what state laws say about this. If you are in "agency" what are you doing if you are not representing the client. Maybe the confusion on my part lies in the term "represent" them in the sale of their own listings. I am not sure what that means versus "sale of their own home"

He further brings up the issue of designated agency. I am curious in how many states brokers still use dual, designated or just plain agency for sales. In NM we can still offer it but nobody uses it, dual representation works just fine and protects both sides better. Of course in property management agency is almost a must but not sales. As a broker I understand designated agency but I would dare say that 95% of the associate brokers I know have no idea what it means nor have they ever asked a QB to designate agents. I think maybe 95% of agents think dual agency means they get both sides and that they cannot say anything. They totally forget that the QB owns the listing and they are sub agents of the QB.

By the way in NM, agency must be in writing and cannot be implied but to my knowledge it has not yet been tested in court

Lou Frey

Qualifying Broker/Owner
Santa Fe Land and Homes
505-670-5001
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