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Date: May 12

I really had no idea how much work went into managing these properties. I have been on the buyers end many times and do get frustrated when it seams the agent on the other end is not interested in selling the property for the asset manager. I realize they are dealing with many properties at one time and have multiple closings per week. I is nice to hear that someone is working on making REOs more stable and efficient.


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From: Michael Ward <RealTalk@RealTown.com>
 

Hello Gloria,
Last week I asked an asset manager about some of the obviously unqualified agents out there. She stated that their company had over 40,000 agents set up in their network. They are very well aware that they have issues as many of these agents have no clue what needs to be done when you receive an REO assignment. This creates a huge problem for the asset manager as well as the client who owns the property. At this time many of the asset management companies are in the process of weeding out the agents who are inept, non-responsive and quite frankly incompetent. One asset company fired over 1200 agents recently, which was nice to hear.
On the other hand, many agents with no REO experience want to be assigned listings. Unfortunately, most of them have no clue what is actually required and when it comes right down to it are unwilling to make the sacrifices required to keep the banks and asset managers happy. There is a common misconception that REO agents just list the properties and sit around raking in the money, which couldn't be farther from the truth. Many of us are called out to properties at all hours of the day and night and are constantly dealing with the associated issues and responsibilities associated with these properties. We work on the assignments for weeks and sometimes months prior to being able to list them and with no guaranteed pay. It can be a very nasty job at times, for example when I had to enter a four-plex with a raw sewage leak, deal with homes so infested with roaches that they literally fell on me when I walked through the house and crunched under my feet, not to mention evic ting the continuous stream of squatters who break into the properties in some of the more seedy locations.
Just want to show you another side of the "glamorous REO agent".
Mike Ward-Central California-The REO hotzone
mikeward1948@yahoo.com
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Mary lou Wall Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Wethersfield,  CT

Date: May 12

Ed,
The listing agents can not go to a property every minute to check although we must check on the houses at least one a week. The showing agents should be responsible since it makes all of us look unprofessional when doors and lights etc are not cared for. The banks should consider using electronic lock boxes which help a great deal verus the combo boxes. We all experience that problem REO property or NON REO property unfortunately.
Best Regards from Connecticut,
Mary Lou
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Diane Sebetka Licensed Real Estate Agent

Date: May 12

I'd like to put in my two cents here.
I've had my few REO listings. You do all this work, jump through all their hoops while they(the Asset Management Companies) take their own sweet time getting back to a potential buyer. I don't think it's fair to put so much blame on the listing agent, because I have been in that spot, when I did all I could do, then, at the mercy of the Asset Management Company, wait. Oftentimes you wondered if title issues were even being dealt with or if this was just sitting on someone's desk, while a good sale pending waits for closing, to have the buyer back out because the Asset Management Company, or the bank for that matter, didn't get it settled with the foreclosure attorney in a reasonable amount of time.(extended much longer than necessary)
Or worse yet, when you send a good bpo in with the right market price; and I knew it was, because it was where all the offers were coming in at, and the bank decides to take the suggested listing price of an agent that does a drive-by bpo and doesn't know the condition up close, and ends up being listed for $30,000. more than it should have been.
Then after the Real Estate Agent or shall I say Asset Manager, because that is really what we become when we take these listings, closes the sale, they have to share their commission with the "Asset Management Company" . Needless to say, I won't waste my time listing these.
Rookie!


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Ed Hain Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Walnut/Diamond Bar,  CA

Date: May 13

Dear All,

Although the lenders almost all require a combo key box, none forbid the agent to ALSO have an electronic box on the property. I know agents who put a key in each, but list only the electronic box on the MLS. That way they can track who was in the house and when.

Best,

Ed Hain

The Dirtseller

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Michael Shannon Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Dearborn,  MI

Date: May 18

In Detroit, the buyer's agents and or buyers are cutting off our lockboxes, and re-keying and even padlocking us out of our own listings to prevent other agents from showing them at all. They take our yard signs and hide them behind the property or even throw them away. They also post my listings on Craig's List using their name as the listing agents.

As a long term REO Agent, we have become accustomed to replacing keys. lockboxes, and signs. Based on my own calculations, there are about 33% too many licensee's in MI for the amount of business. Once they go back to their day jobs, we are hoping that a lot of the stupidity will go away as well.

Mike Shannon, Team Leader, Real Estate One -
www.shannonteam.com

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Pam Ballard Licensed Real Estate Agent,  McLean,  VA

Date: May 19

You know Gloria, this must be a problem on a nationwide level. I read through the comments from all over the country and most of the agents are saying the same things. It's a shame too. As a REALTOR, we are supposed to treat one another with fairness and honesty, but I am finding this is not happening. Especially in the cases of foreclosures and short sales. For one thing, there are no rules or regulations for handling these transactions and our clients can't help but think we are all idiots. Every transaction is different from the previous one.

However, as for the agents who handle these transactions by listing these properties...well...if they would only treat the selling agents with courtesy by calling back or following up or communicating, all of this would be a lot easier to deal with. I was so frustrated with one agent for not calling me or emailing me back I, on several occasions, contacted his broker. Unfortunately, he never contacted me either. He must've, however, contacted the agent because I would usually get a one line repsonse back on my email. Heck, the agents in this office even sympathized with me because they knew of the "lack of service" coming from this agent. All I can say is I will be glad when a foreclosure is more the exception, than the rule!

In the meantime, hang in there and keep on, keeping on...

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Denise Dauphinais Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Danville,  CA

Date: May 21

Because there is no "live" client in the property, listing agents are getting lax and even downright unethical in their behavior. When the cats away the mouse does play. There is no accountability since no one is watching and the lazy agents can get away with not calling back buyer's agents and not following up when an offer is submitted to them. I think a lot of times the offers may fall into a black hole or sit on the listing agents desk until they get a better offer. There is no one enforicing the rules or the code of ethics. I guess the only recourse is to file a formal complaint with your local board and take them to a hearing. Maybe if more agents would report agents flagrantly ignoring phone calls, emails and offers then it would at least send a cleare message. But there is no enforcing agency for REO's. So maybe we need to do something at the national and local levels.

Denise Dauphinais
RE Broker, GRI, e-Pro
Prudential California Realty
630 San Ramon Valley Blvd.
Danville, CA 94526
RE Broker, GRI, e-PRO
925-837-2067
925-200-0073
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Linda Krause Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Kankakee,  IL

Date: May 21

I am reluctantly responding to the various replies/responses concerning the big bad lsting agents of REO properties. I list lots of REO properties....most of my issues are with the selling agents. First the MLS remarks clearly state the the property is a Foreclosure/All inspections to be done prior to offer/proof of funds or Approval letter,EM check in certified funds must be attached to offer. To my dismay, many selling agents bring in purchase contracts with nothing else...then I am chasing them down for proof of funds...I guess they don't understand that either. I get deposit slips with amounts written on them/copies of check registers....for proof of funds...or my all time favorite...the bank said it would be OK..letter of PRE approval(which does not count with most asset companies)then a copy of a personal check...not certified funds. Because most offers are now submitted on-line with the first items being Contract/Proof of Funds/EM...I am not able to submit offer....So then I am chasing down selling agents who apparently can't read...who also have not informed their clients of what AS IS means and what "seller does not pay for inspections" means. Then these same agents are miffed when their buyers offer is rejected or another offer comes in that is correct and its my fault. Once in a while, I, too have trouble with incorrect lockbox codes etc. Sometime agents screw up .... perhaps on purpose who knows. so just keep these things in mind when you write on a REO property..I guess when you write on any property ..vy/lmk

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Date: May 22

I'm an agent that handles REOs for one bank and I treat them like any other listing. I always return my calls and emails in a timely manner. That's just courtesy. I do have agents thanking me a lot for what should be the norm. It's in my best interest to move these homes. As for the agents who handle a zillion REOs, the ones that don't return calls, don't return calls on their conventional listings either.

On the other hand, I have to agree with Linda. There are many agents who don't seem to know what they are doing. They will call me up and ask how they should get in when the listing clearly says to "Go direct. Ekey installed". Maybe that's hard to understand. Then there are those who will submit offers without the preapprovals (so I personally request them) and in the maentime they wonder why their offer has yet to be submitted. And the question many ask is, " Is the bank willing to do any repairs?" I clearly state AS-IS. They then proceed to lecture me about the bank and don't they understand.......

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Date: May 22

I too handle REO properties and have for 10 years. The number of bad or lazy Realtors is in both the REO and non-REO market. While the was good the past several years lazy realtors were doing the same thing as home owners putting a sign in the yard and not learning technology or different aspects of real estate in general.

I have worked with "top sellers/listers" who likewise never returned any of my calls, didn't know how to use email or refused to use email, didn't know how to scan or open an attachment and yet expected the other broker in the deal to do their job while they were smmoozing up the next client.

The tough market we are in now will weed out some of the bad and/or lazy Realtors whether they are REO or non-REO.

As Realtor my obligation and duty is to the client I represent, not the other Realtor in the transaction who happens to be friends with the seller or buyer and just assumes the other Realtor will get the deal done. Lets all do what we made the commitment to do when we became brokers whether REO or non-REO and if you are consistently being treated badly step back and look at how you are handling your side of the business. What goes around comes around.

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