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 RE: Dell computer with Vista or XP?

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Marlow Harris, Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Seattle,  WA

Date: January 2, Number of Replies: 7


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I've noticed that with some computers you can order them with XP instead of VISTA. Do you think that's a good idea or will it eventually become obsolete?
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Larry Perry Information Technology,  Plano,  TX

Date: January 3

> I've noticed that with some computers you can order them with XP instead of VISTA. Do you
> think that's a good idea or will it eventually become obsolete?
> Marlow Harris
Hi Marlow,
If you can get your new computer with XP, my vote is do it. XP is stable in its current version with service pack 3 installed, and everything available, both hardware and software, is compatible with it. You have probably been using XP, so switching to Vista will give you some new things to learn, the least of which is navigating through the new windows to find what you are looking for. Awkward in many cases and the cause for much criticism by many, myself included. The small irritations you might discover by choosing Vista may take away the joy of having a nice new computer, and while the irritations are small for the most part, they are many.

As far as becoming obsolete, Vista is obsolete right now. Microsoft has already released the Windows 7 Beta version (I have a copy and love it) which will replace Vista and XP. Microsoft is continuing to sell XP because Vista is nothing less than a nightmare for Microsoft... a total marketing tragedy that they can't wait to get rid of I'm sure. Pretty much the entire business community has rejected Vista no matter what Microsoft might say. Windows 7 won't be here soon enough for the marketing arm of Microsoft for sure!

So, choose XP if you can... it is at least a known and comfortable OS for most.
Wishing a Happy and Prosperous New Year to everyone!

Larry Perry
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Kathleen Allardyce Vendor,  Peachtree City,  GA

Date: January 3

I agree with Larry. I bought a new business computer about a year ago and made sure it had an XP operating system. I figured by the time I need to upgrade again, either Microsoft would have fixed Vista, or there'd be a new OS and I'd just skip the Vista machines altogether.

I'd say go with XP if you can.

Kathleen
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Mark Jay Information Technology,  Brookfield,  WI

Date: January 4

Marlow Harris asks:

I've noticed that with some computers you can order them with XP instead of VISTA. Do you think that's a good idea or will it eventually become obsolete?

 

Larry Perry offers:


If you can get your new computer with XP, my vote is do it. XP is stable in its current version with service pack 3 installed, and everything available, both hardware and software, is compatible with it. You have probably been using XP, so switching to Vista will give you some new things to learn, the least of which is navigating through the new windows to find what you are looking for. Awkward in many cases and the cause for much criticism by many, myself included. The small irritations you might discover by choosing Vista may take away the joy of having a nice new computer, and while the irritations are small for the most part, they are many.

As far as becoming obsolete, Vista is obsolete right now. Microsoft has already released the Windows 7 Beta version (I have a copy and love it) which will replace Vista and XP. Microsoft is continuing to sell XP because Vista is nothing less than a nightmare for Microsoft... a total marketing tragedy that they can't wait to get rid of I'm sure. Pretty much the entire business community has rejected Vista no matter what Microsoft might say. Windows 7 won't be here soon enough for the marketing arm of Microsoft for sure!

So, choose XP if you can... it is at least a known and comfortable OS for most.

Kathleen Allardyce replies in agreement:

I agree with Larry. I bought a new business computer about a year ago and made sure it had an XP operating system. I figured by the time I need to upgrade again, either Microsoft would have fixed Vista, or there'd be a new OS and I'd just skip the Vista machines altogether. I'd say go with XP if you can.

Mark Jay comments:

Go with Vista Business. There are around 180 MILLION copies of Vista worldwide. Vista has been out since 2006. Service Pack 1 was released almost a year ago. Service Pack 2 is right around the corner and Windows 7 will be in essence Vista Service Pack 3++ in the informed opinion of the PC Windows press. In fact I'm actually referring to PC Magazine's point of view.

Windows XP came out in October of 2001… that's over SEVEN YEARS AGO. Contrary to what Larry Perry offers it is XP that is obsolete… but in fairness XP is still perfectly functional and comfortable for users who have been using it for the past 7 years. So you could stay in your comfort zone and let fear of change rule the day and opt for XP. But Vista is the current operating system. Vista is the OS to get. Unless you are a complete imbecile you will acclimate to Vista in a day or two. And in another 12 to 15 months when Windows 7 comes out you will upgrade and be current. Or if you stay with XP you're operating system will be almost a decade old… and that just shouldn't be acceptable to you or anyone else.

Vista is NOT a "nightmare". It IS an improvement over XP in a number of ways that a quick Google will reveal and with 180 MILLION copies deployed is hardly a marketing nightmare. There is nothing to "fix" in Vista but there is always room for improvement. Windows 7 will NOT be a "new" Operating System it will be built on the same technology as Vista. It's an easy and fast Google to learn about the differences between Win 7 and Google.

The downside of Vista is that if your peripherals are older you won't have the drivers to run with full functionality in Vista. But when Windows 7 comes out older peripherals won't run on Windows 7 either. That's the bad news… The good news is that peripherals like printers and scanners have gotten better/faster/cheaper over the last 7 years so you'll benefit by replacing them anyways. I replaced a 7 year old HP multi-function $600 All-In-One Laser and a $1,200 7 year old high speed… at that time… HP scanner with a single HP Laser All-In-One for $199-faster on printing, fax the same speed, scanner about the same as far as I can tell. I sold my old stuff to a friend for $150.00. Everything that works with Vista will work with Windows 7.

DO NOT submit to the fear of change! Vista is the current Windows OS and that's the one you should have!

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Chris Parks Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Poughkeepsie,  NY

Date: January 5

I migrated to Vista Ultimate from Windows XP in 2008. Initially, Vista was a source of vexation but it didn't take long to get used to it.

In my opinion, Vista represents a break or a step in a new direction that Microsoft is going. The change has been painful and with any, completely new, operating system, there were bound to be bugs that have since been fixed.
It is my opinion that many of the consumer issues with the performance of Vista have their roots in inadequate memory (RAM). Vista needs adequate memory to be able to "walk and chew gum at the same time." While the issue could be debated pro and con, I suggest having the maximum memory the manufacturer recommends for your PC, whether XP or Vista equipped. Doing this in the beginning means you are done with the issue for the life of the machine, and will avoid many of the freeze ups and slowdowns. Going this way also doesn't require you to be a geek or consult one for an opinion. Certainly, if nothing else, it won't harm anything in the PC.
Should you choose Vista, I recommend Vista Business at minimum and the all inclusive Vista Ultimate for a few dollars more. Should you wind up with a machine with any other version of Vista pre-installed, you can easily upgrade at any time via a download from Microsoft.
Yes, you can buy third party software that you need for lower versions of Vista that will give you a function of the higher versions, but if you buy two of them you'll be ¾ of the way, in cost, to an upgrade.
The following link compares versions of Vista. However, what is offered are boxed versions of Vista to be installed on a machine you already own. The comparisons are still valid.
Some thoughts
Some people may remember when Windows XP first came out. Not only were there people that wouldn't switch to XP from Windows 98, there were people that wouldn't switch to XP from Windows 3.1(1)! History apparently repeats itself.
Microsoft is already developing Windows 7. This is not some sort of reversion back to good old Windows XP in whole or in part, it is an evolution of Vista. That means it will look, feel, and operate based on the way Vista is, right now. The changes are inevitable.
Software also evolves, and while Office 2003 still works just fine, it won't run on Vista. Consider: it is now 6 year old software. Your new, XP equipped machine should last 3 or 4 years by which time your version of Office should be completely obsolete at 10 years old. You will also have insulated yourself from the new versions which will evolve from Office 2007. With no basis of comparison and no familiarity with the current software, how steep will the learning curve be when you start with Office 2012?
The point I am trying to make is that you can make the change, now, in a smaller increment, or you can change a few years down the line in a bigger increment, but you will be changing.
Or, you may end up like an older Realtor friend of mine. She had me upgrade her (now) 9 year old PC to Windows XP from Windows 98 last fall. She uses Office 2000 and I just taught her how to print envelopes with it, which made her very happy. Before upgrading to XP (and increasing her memory to the maximum: 512mb, so XP would run, which happens to be what some cell phones have as memory today), I asked her if she would simply consider buying a new PC. She said she saw no reason why she should buy a new one when this one was hardly used.
How could I disagree? J
Yours,
Chris Parks - ABR, e-Pro, GRI - Accelerated
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Larry Perry Information Technology,  Plano,  TX

Date: January 5

Chris Parks Wrote:
> Software also evolves, and while Office 2003 still works just fine, it won't run on Vista.

Chris,
I read your post with interest, until I read the above statement which is patently wrong. I assume that you just mistyped or something? I hate it when a statement like that is put out here though because some unassuming reader will surely take it as gospel.

Office 2003 runs just fine on Windows Vista, and conversely, Office 2007 runs just fine on Windows XP as long as you have at least SP 2 installed! I have all types of different combinations running in order to run pre-beta tests on our software and all combinations work just fine.

There is one problem I am aware of when installing Office 2007 on Windows XP, Office 2007 kills spell checking in Outlook Express. So, if you get the Office 2007 Home and Student edition, which does not include Outlook BTW, (waste of money if you ask me), it will remove an important feature from Outlook Express.

Larry Perry
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Kathleen Allardyce Vendor,  Peachtree City,  GA

Date: January 5

Just to make things even more confusing, the Small Business version of Office 2007, running under XP with the latest updates, does the spell check in Outlook Express just fine.

Cheez.

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Larry Perry Information Technology,  Plano,  TX

Date: January 5

Glad to hear that... I'll make a note.
I wonder when they fixed that...
One bad thing about Microsoft, some fixes they don't say anything about.

Larry

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