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John Cleek Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Louisburg,  KS

Date: December 2, 2008

Good response Kathleen. I definitely agree that SEO when done well and continuously can expand one's Internet presence. I also understand your rationale regarding improvement of ranking even when the competition for certain words/phrases may be intense. My suggestion to all SEO consultants is to avoid using the phrase, "guarantee first page or top ranking". Most would be pleased to achieve sufficient improvement as to make it even to page two.



John

John E Cleek, Ph.D., e-PRO,
Realtor� and Marketing Consultant
The CrownPlatinum Team
Crown Realty of Kansas
Miami County - Linn County - Johnson County
1005 W. Amity � Louisburg, KS 66053
Licensed in Kansas and Missouri
Pho: 913-709-4423 � Fax: 913-837-2549
Finding the RIGHT REALTOR . . . Priceless!

On Dec 2, 2008, at 12:45 AM, Kathleen Allardyce wrote:

The great thing about SEO vs PPC is that SEO work expands your Internet presence while PPC does not. Once the search engines get to like your site for the specific phrases you're going after, you'll find that you will end up on all kinds of first pages for related terms. Or, even terms that aren't really all that closely related, for that matter.

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Parker Quigley Licensed Real Estate Agent

Date: December 2, 2008

I'm glad you've had great success with PPC (Google). How do you keep the cost down? Do you just do the minimum bids/ budgets? I'm only asking b/c I actually spent $48,000 in one year on Google PPC alone and had to reevaluate.
 
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Mike Parker Information Technology,  Newport Beach,  CA

Date: December 2, 2008

SEO stands for Search Engine Optimization.

I have responded to you by sending you two great booklets about SEO in general, and REAL SEO, which is what we supply our clients. Anyone wishing to obtain these may go to www.compassinternetsystems.com resources and success guides and download them. They are packed with ideas and ordinary SEO companies quote them and crib from them all the time--the highest compliment one can receive.

We guarantee first page placement because we know what we are doing and we deliver. It is not unusual for clients to be on up to 500 different first pages for various searches relating to their market area on the seven major search engines, and 82% of our clients are on Google's first page within 90 days for searches relating to their targets. If you would like to see a few examples, contact me and we will walk you through a few online in the management system we give each client as a part of their subscription: there is NOTHING like it anywhere else.

As to how we limit competition amongst our own customers for the ten phrases on each search, it is quite simple: we will not accept subsctiptions for a phrase more than five times: that is, we won't oversell a phrase.

I thank Lilo for her comments. It IS easier to dominate a smaller search depth than a huge one, but we have clients on page one for all sorts of HUGE depths, including this one: go to Google and type in "for realtors" and see who comes up in the top three.

Next week in RIS media, there will be a great success story for Cincinnati Real Estate. I hope you enjoy it.

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Randy Eagar Real Estate Educator ,  Salt Lake City,  UT

Date: December 2, 2008

"I see that Randy Eagar chimed in here. He's great and I refer clients to him for their SEO."

Thank you both Cherie and Suzanne for your kind comments. For those of you that want to make a major impact with your website, the phrase "content is king" is more important now than ever before in getting found. Fortunately both Cherie Young and Suzanne Hathcock Stephens are fabulous at not only designing exceptional looking websites, but content rich sites that we here at WebsTarget can shoot to the top of the search engines.

I know that I can speak for both Compass and ourselves when I say that if we have a quality website to work with as a base, the SEO is MUCH easier to do for rich profits.

Thanks again Cherie and Suzanne for your quality work.

All My Best,

Randy Eagar, CRS
President, WebsTarget SEO
With Us It's Personal
www.WebsTarget.com
Randy@WebsTarget.com
999 Murray-Holladay Rd. #202
Salt Lake City, UT 84117
(800) 277-1316 Toll Free
(801) 261-3523 Fax

 

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Cheryl Spears Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Driggs,  ID

Date: December 2, 2008

I use Compass and am very pleased with it. I have been on the first page on Google and Yahoo for months. My rank changes but I am still there. It's a lot cheaper and easier that trying to chase clicks and keep up with them.

Cheryl Spears

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John Cleek Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Louisburg,  KS

Date: December 2, 2008

My goal is to obtain the best return on investment for every marketing dollar I spend. I have just concluded an 8 month trial period using PPC. I am now evaluating the results.�


I plan to spend a few months working with SEO, probably retaining someone to assist me who is more expert at SEO than I, to see what kind of response I can get from that approach. From the reports of others on this listserv I am expecting that experience to be a positive one.

As for keeping the costs down with PPC, I set a fixed budget ceiling each month and do not exceed it. I have the advantage (if you want to call it that) of my base being in a small suburb of the metro area so the competition for ranking when I use local references is not as great as it is in the city. Thus I could get away with lower budget amts per click.


�� �John

John E Cleek, Ph.D., e-PRO,�
Realtor� and Marketing Consultant
The CrownPlatinum Team
Crown Realty of Kansas
Miami County - Linn County - Johnson County
1005 W. Amity � Louisburg, KS 66053
Licensed in Kansas and Missouri
Pho: 913-709-4423 � Fax: 913-837-2549
Finding the�RIGHT REALTOR�. . .�Priceless!

On Dec 2, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Parker wrote:

How do you keep the cost down? Do you just do the minimum bids/ budgets? I'm only asking b/c I actually spent $48,000 in one year on Google PPC alone and had to reevaluate.


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Cherie Young Information Technology,  Ramona,  CA

Date: December 2, 2008

Hi Parker,

My initial reaction to spending $48,000 for ppc would make my teeth grind.  I always like to ask the bigger picture.  What was your return on this?  Did you earn a 6 figure income from that?  Do you have an incredible database of people that you are staying in contact with, not just by drip email campaigns?

How are you managing all the leads that came in through your ppc?  You surely could have spent this on an intuitive site that is beautiful, easy to navigate, along with a very aggressive seo campaign.

I must say that I have never met someone who spent $48,000 on ppc, was that in a year or over many years?

Curious,

Cherie Young
Real Estate Web Designs
760.782.0103

real estate web designs, advanced access, point2 custom web design



 

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Kathleen Allardyce Vendor,  Peachtree City,  GA

Date: December 2, 2008

John, you said:

I definitely agree that SEO when done well and continuously can expand one's Internet presence. I also understand your rationale regarding improvement of ranking even when the competition for certain words/phrases may be intense. My suggestion to all SEO consultants is to avoid using the phrase, "guarantee first page or top ranking". Most would be pleased to achieve sufficient improvement as to make it even to page two.

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I agree that guaranteeing to put someone as #1 on page 1 for a competitive keyword is rather silly.  But, consider that Internet searchers rarely go beyond the first page of the search results.  Being on page 2 is almost as bad as being on page 15.  If an SEO company knows what it is doing, and since you're paying them money to do it, they should be able to put you on page 1.
 
In addition, if the company knows what they're doing, they'll charge you a lot more to hit page 1 for extremely competitive keyword phrases.
 
SEO (search engine optimization) isn't magic.  Although I know it may seem like it is because as someone once said "Ask 10 SEO experts a question, and you'll get 13 answers".
 
This is a discipline where it is definitely true that the experts don't agree.  And, since the search engines won't reveal very much of how they go about ranking sites, very often discussions end up sounding like the blind men trying to describe the elephant.
 
But, ranking high in the search results is so effective for driving business, we all just keep plugging away, warts and all!
 
Here's another great example of the power of being an authority on the search engines.  I wrote a blog post after a long, drawn-out interaction with Adobe, only to discover that their new Flash 10 version is not compatible with Vista 64 bit machines.
 
My blog is about real estate marketing.  But, I have received an extraordinary amount of traffic from people searching Google for terms like:
 
vista and flashplayer 10 - not comptible - I'm #1, typo and all!
flash player 10 for 64-bit vista - #7
flash 10 vista 64 - #3
 
One just never knows, do one?
 
Kathleen
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Mike Parker Information Technology,  Newport Beach,  CA

Date: December 3, 2008

As long as we are discussing SEO for profits, let's remember this: Getting your site FOUND is only step one in becoming a successful online marketer. While it is a huge technological feat to put over 1000 clients on about a half million first page search results (which we do, daily), all that technology is not going to help you sell ONE HOUSE if you do not do the following: (1)Incorporate attractive lead capture on your home page and on every community page; (2) respond instantly to every internet lead received.

It is very hard to sell anyone anything if you don't know who they are. Lead capture is the process of identifying visitors to your site and getting them to register with you. Despite the overwhelming stats showing the efficacy of lead capture, even some of our own clients resist its implementation. Such was the case with a long standing client in West Virgina, who thought it "didn't look good" on her homepage. We finally convinced her to trust us on it and three weeks later, she received an actual offer for a $500K property off her lead capture! This is repeated all the time. Get lead capture!

Likewise, Internet shoppers expect instant response. Waiting days or even hours is foolhardy: they want to be contacted right now, and not by an auto responder, either: they want an email or a phone call.

Finally, performance can be attained on a wide variety of websites. SImple, complex, whatever, because it is not the appearance of the site that makes it perform. It is, however, the appearance and utility of the site that attract the visitor and keeps their attention. We have hunderds of clients using FREE website platforms, hundreds using custom sites, and hundreds using everything in between.

In the final analysis, it is making your website welcoming and a source of the information the shopper is looking for that matters. If you've got that, you need to make sure you can be found when people go looking for homes in your neighborhood, that you can get a percentage of them to register, and that you follow up assiduously.

Anyone, anytime, is always welcome to contact us for a FREE evaluation of the Search Engine Friendliness of their site. Also to download our Success Guides, Success Stories, and to ask any question without obligation. Success online CAN be yours. YOu just need to partner with the right company.

Best regards

 

an Internet Crusade Approved Vendor
"Number One in Online Marketing Services for Realtors"

 

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Malcolm Waring Information Technology,  Stroudsburg,  PA

Date: December 3, 2008

 We started www.bevwaring.com about 4 years ago with a couple of pages of boilerplate.  I have lots of experience building corporate software applications but the content is based on requirements, and you don't generally have to attract people, so I wasn't happy that I had to learn about SEO.

Fortunately, I found Kathleen Allardyce and she came up with some great copy and ways to structure the site for SEO.

Then we had no other choice but to use PPC until the organic results could build up.  Wow, I thought we had it bad spending what we did at the time but it wasn't a fraction of 48k.  I never liked the whole concept, especially since their really was no accountability and you were subject to someone clicking your dollars away just for spite.  

So, we started climbing out of the basement but got firmly stuck at page 3 on google.  Then we found Compass and that got us up to page one where we have stayed for several years.  Now this isn't Denver but it's still competitive.

Finally, I have done a load of work trying to differentiate the site and that has worked really well for long tail searches.

Disclosure: we do have a small Yahoo budget just for the heck of it, and we pay a flat monthly rate for one search term on google but that's because I just figured out it was as important as our main term and I haven't done the organic work yet.

I just looked at the results for the two terms over the past 4 months.  In the google keyword analysis tool, they both rank equally.  For the main term, we are consistantly on page 1 near the bottom.  For the second term, we are at the TOP of the PPC, 24 hours a day but page 11 in organic.

So, even though we are highest on the page with the PPC, we only get half the traffic.  I gotta work on getting that higher but it confirms what Mike said about people not clicking on the PPC as readily.  I'm that way myself in my own searches.

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