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Tom Hathaway, Licensed Real Estate Broker,  TN

Date: November 11, 2008, Number of Replies: 73


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I find it difficult to feel too sorry for the auto industry right now. They have known for years they were in trouble but did very little to solve some of their basic problems, such as building less expensive vehicles and vehicles that would operate less expensively. I drove by a local Ford dealership this afternoon and if they had one new large SUV on the lot they had 75, all sitting there gathering dust and getting a year older. We have known for several years that the day of the SUV as we know it had to end. Yet, the auto industry keep pumping them out. Well, they pumped one too year long it seems. When the cost of fuel hit $1.50 a gallon sales began dropping off like a lead pipe hitting the bottom of a barrel.

I don't understand why none of our auto makers have not perfected the hydrogen engine and used it as an option for today's vehicle buyer. Certainly the oil lobbyist has likely kept federal tax dollars from helping with the research over the years, but just think where one of the auto makers would have been today if 5 years ago they had hit the ground determined to design the hydrogen engine and by now putting it in their vehicles. That in itself would make a big difference in our oil problem today. And lets face it, the American auto industry even waited until foreign countries designed and introduced the hybrids (gas/elect) vehicles instead of moving forward on this a long time ago.

Sometimes we end up being our own worse enemy.

Tom Hathaway


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Jim Cummings Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Austin,  TX

Date: November 11, 2008

Tom Hathaway said:
I find it difficult to feel too sorry for the auto industry right now. They have known for years they were in trouble but did very little to solve some of their basic problems, such as building less expensive vehicles and vehicles that would operate less expensively.
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I'm no expert on Detroit - but in my opinion - the trouble with the US Auto Industry is the United Autoworkers Union. The Unions have forced the automakers to build bigger cars (bigger equals more higher costs) to pay the ever increasing labor union demands.
I'd venture most of the new US made "foreign cars" Toyota, Honda, Nissan, BMW plants are NOT totally unionized.

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Date: November 11, 2008

Right you are, Tom. I'm one of those guys who takes care of his auto and keeps it a long time. I have had my Acura Integra since new August 1990 and I am just short of 200,000 miles. The mechanic said it is good for another 200,000 miles. Before that we had two Mercedes in our garage for nine years. But I will take the Acura hands down because of reliability and lower cost than Mercedes. Both of the Mercedes paint jobs went kaput just three years after getting them new. And the cost of maintaining is a bank-account breaker. The new '69 Cadillac before that only lasted 125,000 before I had to replace the transmission. We tried a new 94 Ford Escort, but it cost more than the Mercedes to maintain. My wife had it until two years ago. We went right back to Japanese. A used 05 Corolla. To empathize with the US auto manufacturers, those unions are killers. Even if they go out of business tomorrow, the union people will get two years of regular pay! That's why the Japanese located their American factories where the unions are not. They are not stupid, like GM, Ford and Chrysler. You won't see many, if any, American cars in Japan because they are loyal to their own makes. Not to mention they can trust 'em. Yeah, right you are, Tom.
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Ronny Geenen Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Glendora,  CA

Date: November 11, 2008

Richard wrote:
I'm one of those guys who takes care of his auto and keeps it a long time. I have had my Acura Integra since new August 1990 and I am just short of 200,000 miles. The mechanic said it is good for another 200,000 miles. Before that we had two Mercedes in our garage for nine years. But I will take the Acura hands down because of reliability and lower cost than Mercedes. Both of the Mercedes paint jobs went kaput just three years after getting them new. And the cost of maintaining is a bank-account breaker.

Your Mercedes paint job went kaput just in three Years? I wonder what you did. Did you hose your cars clean in the sun and did not dry them after?
If that is the case water bubles are working like a magnifying glass.
I have two MB, a turbo diesel 300sd from 1984 with 288,000 miles and in original color and my favorite 560 SEC sport coupe from 1987 also with original colors. You can see the last one on the international coupe web www.mbcoupes.com
And talking about taste, you can keep your Japanese stuff as long as I may keep my MB's. Especially when talking about design.

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Paul Silver,  Portsmouth,  RI

Date: November 12, 2008

Tom Hathaway said:
I find it difficult to feel too sorry for the auto industry right now. They
have known for years they were in trouble but did very little to solve some
of their basic problems, such as building less expensive vehicles and
vehicles that would operate less expensively.
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I'm no expert on Detroit - but in my opinion - the trouble with the US Auto
Industry is the United Autoworkers Union. The Unions have forced the
automakers to build bigger cars (bigger equals more higher costs) to pay the
ever increasing labor union demands.
I'd venture most of the new US made "foreign cars" Toyota, Honda, Nissan,
BMW plants are NOT totally unionized.
JIM

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Sorry Jim, but I can't see the connection between unions and large cars...
seems without logic to me... I would like to understand how this is reality,
but so far, I can't see that... I understand that the Unions push for higher
wages and benefits, but again, the relationship between that and large
vehicles just does not compute... Design and manufacturing are not
determined by the Unions on any level... that is purely management... yes,
Unions may increase costs, but they do not dictate the type of cars
produced...

I see cars that cost $80K that are small and efficient, and cars that are
huge that cost $35K... fact is, these automakers have been selling these
cars to Americans and so have not modified their direction... look at the
cars on the highway, and you see many SUV and even Hummers... the Unions did
not make the American people desire these cars... there simply is no
connection...

As for Unions in Japan, there has never been a circumstance in that country
that required Unions to organize fair labor practices... those companies pay
higher wages than ours do (in Japan proper) and provide better benefits, and
better job security, without the need for unions... but they do have better
management that focuses on long term benefit rather than short term benefit,
which is an issue in our country due to stockholder short sightedness.

I can't speak to the German manufacturers... but I believe that they too pay
their workers better than we do, and provide better benefits and longer paid
vacations.

Our lack of competitiveness if not really related to this... however, this
is an easily cured cost, whereas old facilities (or capital equipment, like
with our airlines) is the real issue, and also one that is much more
expensive to repair... so rather than repair this, we look to cutting
wages... in America there is a long history of Labor Vs Management... this
is not the case in Japan, and is less the case in Europe than it is here. To
me, as someone who has spent many years merging diverse corporate cultures
together, this is our real issue.

Not as easily solved, and no scape goat, but it is the crux of the matter.

Labor is not. And most assuredly Unions are not...

Have a great day!

Best regards,

Paul Silver
Focus Professionals, Inc.

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Angel Suarez Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Belleville,  NJ

Date: November 12, 2008

My last American car was a 1980 Chevy van, 30 days later the transmission was leaking, I had to leave at the dealer for repairs, no loaner, had to find my way home, about 6 mount later, I took my family to Florida, the fan belt broke, I found an Oldsmobile dealer, explained to them my situation but they said a needed an appointment because they were too busy, I sold it two years later.
My last three cars have been Honda Accords, I'm glad they are made (built) in America, my only regret, I bought extended warranty for my first one and wasted my money, never needed.
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Malcolm Waring Information Technology,  Stroudsburg,  PA

Date: November 12, 2008

 @Tom

Hydrogen sounds great but there are the leak issues.  Even more important is how you get it.

Someone is going to have to come up with a clever new way because right now most of it comes from the petroleum process.  If you get it from water it takes more energy to get out than you get back.  I just finished working on a project at Air Products and that's what I was told.  I got to ride in a GM fuel cell SUV prototype one day.  It leaves a trail of water as it goes up the street.

@Ronny

I love the MB coupes from that era.  I had a lowly 1982 380SEC for a few years and it looked great.  Someone put in the proper Euro headlights so it didn't look like the rest.

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Date: November 12, 2008

No, RG, One my 79 TurboDiesel was silver and it went first. I wash my cars usually in the very late afternoon an you know how it is in California in the late afternoon. The 77 280E started to lose its paint on the roof and the hood almost at the same time. Don't condemn the Acura if you haven't driven it, RG. I have driven and maintained both Mercedes and the only thing it has over the Acura is more solid sound of the floor. But the mileage doesn't compare to the Acura and I get 27-32. The TurboDiesel was getting about the same, but you know what happened to the price of diesel. And I still got the SAME original paint job after 18 years! And I wash it the same way I washed the Mercedeses! That's okay, RG. Us septuagenarians (I had to look that one up) gotta stick together. We know more than all these kids. Right?
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Larry Van druff Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Olney,  MD

Date: November 13, 2008

Paul Silver wrote:

"...Sorry Jim, but I can't see the connection between unions and large cars...
seems without logic to me... I would like to understand how this is reality,
but so far, I can't see that... I understand that the Unions push for higher
wages and benefits, but again, the relationship between that and large
vehicles just does not compute... Design and manufacturing are not
determined by the Unions on any level... that is purely management... yes,
Unions may increase costs, but they do not dictate the type of cars
produced..."

I have not owned a US-manufactured car since 1990. That's the year I purchased my 1st Nissan (Stanza). Drove it over 250,000 miles. I then leased a Maxima for 3 years and purchased my current Maxima in 2004. They were all great cars.

I had a series of company cars from the late seventies until 1990. Not one did I consider to be a decent car. I can remember driving from Richmond, Va. to Wash. DC in a new company car that had less than 500 miles on it and having the flywheel disintegrate en route. I had 3 transmissions in another. Quality was just not there.

I understand the Cadillac is pretty hot. Great line in their ad..."When you turn your car on, does it return the favor!" and I've heard forthcoming GM's (Volt e.g.) are purported to be quality vehicles.

As far as I'm concerned, US manufacturers would be well-served if indeed they do put quality in their product (and not just their ad campaigns), stop thinking short-term profits (SUV's/trucks) and develop long-term strategies addressing the needs of the 21st century quality and value seeking consumer.

I do not see the UAW as totally blameless, however the big problem, IMHO, has been a lack of vision on the part of US automobile manufacturer's management.

Larry

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Lou Frey Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Santa Fe,  NM

Date: November 14, 2008

Up until the 90's, planned obsolesce was the keyword of the US auto industry. Now the rest of the worlds auto makers are planning the obsolesce of the US automakers. If it was not such a disaster of the US economy, I would say let them go down the tube. Of course a lot of workers can move to the new Toyota plant in Mississippi.
 
On a similar vein, when we complain about lost jobs sent overseas, how many jobs has Japan and Germany lost to the US. Remember these cars were all imported at one time and the US content keeps getting larger. Toyota, Honda and BMW can make a great vehicle here and cheaper, why can't GM and Ford. The answer really is simple, Unions. The robots don't get health or retirement, the human workers are in low cost of living states and they don't have huge long term pension issues yet. Same reason Southwest Airlines is still in the black.
 
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