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<<Seems about 1% of the registrations submitted were fraudulent, Paul Silver>>

This is an example of someone inflating (in this case deflating) figures to argue their case. As an attorney you know that this would never fly in a court of law. For example, the Registrar in a county next to Chicago, in Indiana stated on Television the other day that ACORN turned in 5,000 registrations, and that the first 2200 or so they looked at all appeared to be bogus. They said they cross checked the names against public records and attempted to contact the people only to find that they did not exist. I don't know where your source (who has a personal reason to be bias) got their math education but my math teacher taught me the skills to figure out that the 2200 apparent false registrations of the 5000 they turned in would represent approximately 44% of the 5000 registrations. And just think how many more they are apt to find when they have the time to look at the remaining 2800 regist rations.

I have not heard any person in authority report that only 1% of the registrations are bogus. You simply can not trust the person who might be held liable for this problem, when she says that only 1% were fraudulent. We all know that a whole lot of people who are in prison claim the did not do the crime. That is human nature. At the same time the Registrar and his/her staff are much more creditable sources of information.

While we are discussing this, I know ACORN officials would love to deflect this whole issue to something else, and certainly will never take responsibility for what has happened, but you and I know that as "agents" of ACORN these people were paid by ACORN (or one of its subsidiaries) to do a job and ACORN can be held legally responsible for the actions of these people. Certainly I think you will agree that ACORN did a sloppy job at best of selecting who they hired to do this work nor did they evidently train or supervise these workers closely.

By the way, you are the only person who I have heard say that ACORN officials are the ones who flagged the bogus registrations and advised the local Registrars office of the problem. Can you post where you got this information. Keep in mind that a statement made by an ACORN official would be highly suspect since they are likely doing a lot of CYA right now.

Tom Hathaway

Paul posted: Of course, this would be a good tactic to gloss over and
distract the public from the actions of voter role
purges that are currently still underway in Florida, Ohio and Colorado.
These, by Republican administrators.

Paul: When my name was taken off of the Missouri voter rolls while I was in
Oklahoma, I can pretty well bet it was during a Democratic administration
here. But, they wouldn't have known I was basically a Republican? In
Missouri, the only time you declare your party is when you vote in a
primary! I also remembering that someone stated that these "Rupublican
purges" were to get rid of name who might vote for Demorcrates. I don't
know about your state, Paul, but I can pretty well guess that no state knows
how a voter has voted in the past (even with a party registration) or how
they will vote this time. Here's an example. My father registered as a
Democrat in Oklahoma when he was 21. When he died last year at 91, he
hadn't voted for a Democratic Presidential candidate since he voted for
Reagan. His comment was that his party left him. He always consider
himself a "state's rights Democrat" until the day he died.

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Mr Hathaway was accused by ACORN for steering (if I understood correctly, and I can see where he felt he did nothing wrong, and very possibly he didn't),.... he beat the case, but has an obvious bias on this subject of ACORN.

Lindy,
It was more than I proved them wrong. It was all about why I was accused to begin with, the fact that their attorney had not bothered to do any investigation whatever, and that their M.O. is to come in and offer a quiet solution by trying to negotiate a settlement without the courts being involved which allows them to add your company to their intimidation list.

I was very upset at how the first thing ALCORN's attorney did was hand us a double sided piece of paper naming other businesses showing how much they had settled for and then suggesting that the whole matter would quickly go away if we could negotiate a settlement. Even though not an attorney, I spent the better part of my life involved with the legal system. I have never heard of anyone prosecuting a case (either civil or criminal) whose first words out of his mouth to the accused is "lets just settle this out of court now and it will all go away"..

I was so upset I called the FBI and accused the attorney and ACORN of attempted extortion. I quickly learned that HUD years ago and helped arrange a special legislation that extended a one of a kind protection to ACORN and their attorneys from lawsuits related to their "testing" and bringing lawsuits for discriminating practices as well as for their legal counsel. I was told that they are the only private organization in the country that has this protection.

Just to set the record straight, we were not being charged with steering. We were being charged with discrimination in our advertising because they said we did not include enough minorities pictured in our marketing pieces. As reported earlier, certain assumptions were made by those involved and they had evidently never investigated by reviewing our marketing programs. But that did not stop them from filing the lawsuits and then trying to extort us. And as I reported, they seemed to only be interested in the number of African American photos included in our marketing and not at all about the other minorities.

Tom Hathaway

<snip> "Obama started building the base years before. For instance, ACORN noticed him when he was organizing on the far south side of the city with the Developing Communities Project. He was a very good organizer. When he returned from law school, we asked him to help us with a lawsuit to challenge the state of Illinois� refusal to abide by the National Voting Rights Act, also known as motor voter. Allied only with the state of Mississippi, Illinois had been refusing to allow mass-based voter registration according to the new law. Obama took the case, known as ACORN vs. Edgar (the name of the Republican governor at the time) and we won. Obama then went on to run a voter registration project with Project VOTE in 1992 that made it possible for Carol Moseley Braun to win the Senate that year. Project VOTE delivered 50,000 newly registered voters in that campaign (ACORN delivered about 5000 of them).
Since then, we have invited Obama to our leadership training sessions to run the session on power every year, and, as a result, many of our newly developing leaders got to know him before he ever ran for office. Thus, it was natural for many of us to be active volunteers in his first campaign for State Senate and then his failed bid for U.S. Congress in 1996. By the time he ran for U.S. Senate, we were old friends." <snip> Here is a .PDF file of the entire article.

Which version of the truth is valid? Yours and Senator Obama's or Toni Foulkes. I'm confused.
As I state to you in a post to you on Oct. 13th, <snip>"Win, you may want to expand your search for non-partisan sources. I attempt to research all sides of important issues and then decide what is fact and what is fiction....an extremely difficult task at times."

Once again, you may want to expand your search for non-partisan sources. Try it. You may find it rewarding.

Well, I better get back to work, or I may need someone's elses wealth re-distributed in my direction. ;-)

Jacquie Graham

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So what you are upset about is that Obama knows people involved with ACORN (as does McCain, and many Republicans and other Democrats) and that he represented them as a lawyer in a law suit which was joined by the Federal Government against the State of Illinois?

Also, I see that it says that they have invited Obama every year to training sessions, but it does not say he attended...

So, I was invited to many things I did not attend... some worthwhile, and others not as worthwhile.

Still, what is so bad about ACORN and their mission to enfranchise disadvantaged citizens? You all keep ranting and raving about ACORN as if they were a terrorist group or something... they are not.

Also, I am unclear about the redistribution of wealth you are so concerned about... have you read Obama's tax proposals? You should before just latching on helplessly to the McCain machine's opinions and attacks... if anything will be hard for small business, it is McCain's tax plan, not Obama's

But of course, I have already learned that many cannot be confused by the facts...

Have a great day!

Best regards,

Paul Silver
Focus Professionals, Inc.

Lisa,
. I have never called you or your home in my entire life. I think that
you should be prepared to explain these accusations and provide proof. If
you are truly receiving phone calls, then someone is pretending be me.
. Your arguments against Sarah Palin are ridiculous.
Bona

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I agree... random statements along the party line should not be considered
acceptable by any serious person... Do you have facts to support what you
say? Generally Lisa does...

I would like to see yours.

Have a great day!

Best regards,

Paul Silver

Paul,
The possibility for voter roll purge errors exists in every state as
discussed in the article below:
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/voter_purges.
The article also discusses ways to safeguard against theses errors.
Bona

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Yes it does... but it has been most problematic in the states of Florida,
Colorado, and Ohio over the past two elections, and looks to be continuing
to be an issue in those states again...

I assume you think that performing these sorts of purges is at least as
heinous as fake registrations?

The issue I have with it is that the fake registrations are being attributed
wrongfully to direct actions on the part of ACORN, when all informed people,
including the regulators, realize that it was not ACORN who did the deeds,
but contract employees, and that ACORN is the one who turned those folks in
and brought attention the issue in the first place... they did nothing
wrong, and have never been found to have done anything wrong, after several
investigations by Bush admin officials... cleared of all charges each
time... but made to look bad on purpose.

So I assume that perpetrators of illegal voter roll purges should face the
same consequences you would have ACORN face, and should have the same
scrutiny brought to bear, yes?

If not, why?

Have a great day!

Best regards,

Paul Silver, Esq.
Focus Professionals, Inc.

"They would go through the line, ask a pole worker to show them how to vote for Kerry and not vote for anything else. Then, they made a big deal about getting their "I Voted sticker". We found out that guys were paying them $10 for each time they voted... "

Like I've said before... To eliminate voter fraud/multiple voting use fingerprinting.  The registration with a fingerprint goes into a national database... each ballot requires a fingerprint which is then matched with the registration in the national database... 1st vote is counted, additional votes are kicked out.

You think it's Big Brother?  Maybe, but job applications, advanced education testing, license applications, many times in today's world we are required to use our fingerprints for identification.  The only people I hear complaining are the ones afraid they'll get caught for something.

Elle-Broker Associate (and some other initials)
Landmark Realty, Inc.
Godfrey, IL