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The reason that people are so disturbed is that elections are the foundation
of a democratic society. ACORN workers have tampered with the election
process. Every citizen should be outraged.
Bona Lisa D'Alonzo

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What are your thoughts on voter roll purges, as are happening under
Republican administrations in Florida, Colorado, and Ohio, as we speak?

Paul Silver, Esq.
Focus Professionals, Inc.

Mr. Singleton, in March, 2004 Toni Foulkes, a Chicago ACORN leader and a member of ACORN's National Association Board, in an article published in "Social Policy", stated that:
<snip> "Obama started building the base years before. For instance, ACORN noticed him when he was organizing on the far south side of the city with the Developing Communities Project. He was a very good organizer. When he returned from law school, we asked him to help us with a lawsuit to challenge the state of Illinois� refusal to abide by the National Voting Rights Act, also known as motor voter. Allied only with the state of Mississippi, Illinois had been refusing to allow mass-based voter registration according to the new law. Obama took the case, known as ACORN vs. Edgar (the name of the Republican governor at the time) and we won. Obama then went on to run a voter registration project with Project VOTE in 1992 that made it possible for Carol Moseley Braun to win the Senate that year. Project VOTE delivered 50,000 newly registered voters in that campaign (ACORN delivered about 5000 of them).
Since then, we have invited Obama to our leadership training sessions to run the session on power every year, and, as a result, many of our newly developing leaders got to know him before he ever ran for office. Thus, it was natural for many of us to be active volunteers in his first campaign for State Senate and then his failed bid for U.S. Congress in 1996. By the time he ran for U.S. Senate, we were old friends." <snip> Here is a .PDF file of the entire article.
Which version of the truth is valid? Yours and Senator Obama's or Toni Foulkes. I'm confused.
As I state to you in a post to you on Oct. 13th, <snip>"Win, you may want to expand your search for non-partisan sources. I attempt to research all sides of important issues and then decide what is fact and what is fiction....an extremely difficult task at times."
Once again, you may want to expand your search for non-partisan sources. Try it. You may find it rewarding.
Well, I better get back to work, or I may need someone's elses wealth re-distributed in my direction. ;-)
Jacquie Graham

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Who cares? ACORN is a community organizing group... they have their faults, like every other group, but in themselves they do nothing wrong or untoward... saying they do does not make it so...

But even so, what is wrong with a lawyer representing a client? You have an issue with that? That would be like me having an issue with you selling a house. Because you sell houses, does that make you a bad person?

Personally, I hope you sell many houses, and develop a reputation for good work, and use that reputation to do good things for people, including yourself.

Paul Silver, Esq.
Focus Professionals, Inc.

Bona posted: The reason that people are so disturbed is that elections are
the foundation of a democratic society. ACORN workers have tampered with the
election process. Every citizen should be outraged.
Bona,
Every citizen should be concerned with many forms of voter registration
fauld and voting fraud. Here's a couple of examples of examples from the
City of St. Louis:
Many voters registered as living on a vacant lot. In 2000 they left the
polls open in some polling places in heavily democrat areas so they could
get more democrat votes. Instead they hear an outcry (over and over again)
that the Republican Florida Attorney General certified the 2000 results when
she was required to by the state constitution. The outcry was that the
Republicans "stole" the election (and they don't let the fact that when the
detailed recount was finally finished many months later with more votes for
Bush than previously thought stop them in that statement) We also hear
about people being taken off of the voting rolls (like I said yesterday, I
was when I didn't vote for several years) or someone being kept from voting
in a wrong polling place.
Linda Grissette, GRI, e-PRO Certified, Certified e-PRO Trainer, JIM * The
Best Seller GMAC Real Estate, St. Peters, MO * Mailto:Linda@Grissette.com
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John Cleek posted: It is preposterous to think that the fraudulent
submission of voter registrations to ACORN by some of their contract
employees in order to get paid more would be characterized by anyone, much
less a ?candidate for president, as one of the largest voter fraud schemes
in history. There was no voter fraud here at all. It was ACORN that
discovered that a small fraction of the individuals who were being paid on a
per registration basis had submitted clearly falsified lists. The lists
never resulted in registration but even if they had been submitted to the
election board, they would have been kicked out for a variety of reasons.?
John,
#1. Paying people to get voter registrations, especially paying them per
registration is a set up for fraud. I have been a volunteer registrar in
the past and always thought that this was a totally volunteer function.
#2. Attempted fraud is like attempted robbery. It is still a crime! The
clearly falsified lists were never registered, that is true (ie the Mickey
Mouse example or one person clearly signing several different person's name.
But those few people just weren't smart enough to pull it off. I strongly
suspect it is just the tip of the iceburg.
Linda Grissette, GRI, e-PRO Certified, Certified e-PRO Trainer, JIM * The
Best Seller GMAC Real Estate, St. Peters, MO * Mailto:Linda@Grissette.com
Check out my real estate products...with special pricing at
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>>>>>>WOW!!! So, that's all there is to this ACORN Controversy (mess)! I'm
sure glad you were able to Clarify the unquestionable integrity of ACORN!
Stay tuned for ACORN winning the Nobel Peace Prize for Voter Registration
efforts.
JIM
The Jim Cummings Team<<<<<<

Jim, Your words sound rather sarcastic, so I'm guessing they are meant to be
just that. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could discuss things without
having to become sarcastic and disagreeable? Again:

The only fraud committed was against ACORN itself. ACORN hired 13,000
workers to register a remarkable 1.3 million new voters. And a few of them
turned in registration forms with inaccurate and even made-up names to get
credit for work they didn't do. ACORN fired them and turned them over to the
authorities.
ACORN reported the fraudulent registration forms. In most states, ACORN is
required by law to submit all forms collected whether they appear to be
bogus or not-that way election officials, not partisan groups, can make the
call. ACORN flags cards that may not be legitimate. And in many places, the
charges of fraud only came up because ACORN was the one who flagged the
cards!
This won't have any impact on the election. No one is allowed to vote unless
they are properly registered. And there is no evidence of false
registrations actually leading to organized voting fraud.

I am much more concerned about voter suppression, which seems a much graver
insult to democracy, but that may be just me.

Kedda Keough
Shelton Land & Homes, LLC