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Robert wrote in part: For a realistic account of Acorn and their activities
check WSJ today's edition page A20, " Obama and Acorn"

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I assume Robert realizes that The Wall Street Journal is a conservative
paper...

Paul Silver
Focus Professionals, Inc.

MLS Mary wrote: If a person wants to know more about Acorn, go to
www.youtube.com and do a video search for ACORN. You will find many of their
political rallies posted online. Listen to some of their speeches. Even
thought they are supposed to be non-partisan, they are vehemently supporters
of OBAMA and spew hatred for anyone they claim to have been oppressive to
the African-American population. It concerns me to see and feel their hate
filled speeches.

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More democratically determined "facts" eh?

If I want to know more about ACORN I would look them up in the various
non-profit group directories, such as Center For Foundation Research, which
will give the programs they have sought funding for, the grants they have
been awarded, etc. That will give you FACTS, not democratically defined
opinions...

Paul Silver, Esq.
Focus Professionals, Inc.

From Paul:

"I have no clue why the group suddenly is overtaken by this propaganda
campaign"

I have been a long time reader of Real Talk, but have never posted before.  I cannot let this pass.  The real propaganda come  from posts like Paul's.  For those of you who like to read the other side of the story, here is a link

 http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB122394051071230749-lMyQjAxMDI4MjEzNDkxNDQwWj.html

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	Political Issues Re: ACORN Win Singleton, CRB, e-PRO Licensed Real Estate Broker Falls Church, VA Oct 15, 2008 Mark Ryan in quoting and writing a response to Paul Silver - Finally, "the rancor about ACORN is simply unfounded... someone should understand what they are criticizing before they go ahead and criticize it" Well I agree with HALF your statement... It is FOUNDED... when 13, thats right 13 states as of today have criminal investigations into Acorn and voter fraud you may want to think it IS founded??? One or two... who knows... 13 where there is smoke there is FIRE... Oboma can LIE but the truth is that he is all over Acorn and they are all over him... First off, it is NOT voter fraud. It is a case of fraudulent voter registration - and there is a HUGE difference! No one has actually voted yet - except by absentee ballot - and those will be verified to be legitimate too before they will be counted. Furthermore, the Republicans have been supporters of ACORN as well. Go see the article, "ACORN: McCain And GOP Used To Be Supporters" along with photos of many notable Republicans including a photo of John McCain attending its March 2006 rally. From http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/13/acorn-mccain-and-gop-used_n_134284.html - here are some excerpts - "It was a reminder that, for all their electoral histrionics, Republicans have aligned themselves with ACORN in the past. Indeed, in addition to the McCain photo, there is a host of examples of prominent McCain surrogates attending ACORN events, signing ACORN legislation, or complimenting the group's efforts. In July 2005, meanwhile, another Republican governor, Rick Perry of Texas, signed ACORN's Lending Law Reform Bill that changed the state's homelending practices. In July 2008, California Governor and McCain supporter Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a bill that ACORN helped draft aimed at California homeowners facing foreclosure. In June 2007, Minnesota Governor and McCain VP short-lister Tim Pawlenty signed a similar bill -- drafted by ACORN -- that helped homeowners get fairer deals on their mortgages. As Governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney signed an anti-predatory lending bill that ACORN supported. In February 2006, Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman met with the ACORN Katrina Survivors Association. And back in July 2005, New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg actually got a kiss from ACORN's state leader, according to the publication City Limits, during an announcement that the city would protect or create 65,000 affordable units in a new housing proposal. Bloomberg, it should be noted, has not endorsed a candidate." ------------------ So obviously both parties have been supporters of ACORN over the years. Fraudulent voter registration does nothing for either party or either candidate but muddy the debate. But fortunately, we have officials in every state and every jurisdiction who take their jobs seriously to verify voter registrations, Win ********************** Win Singleton, CRB, e-PRO Associate Broker Northern Virginia Real Estate, Inc. 1018 Shipman Lane, Suite 200 McLean, VA 22101 (703) 536-7631 wins@winsingleton.com Licensed in Virginia ********************** View / Reply on the Web Reply to Community You are subscribed to RealTalk on RealTown Communities. If you have forgotten your password, click here. To unsubscribe from this list, click here, or send an email to RealTalk@RealTown.com with "RealTalk:unsubscribe jacquie@liveindoors.com" as the subject (without quotes).

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Kedda

Jacque Graham wrote in part to my earler post -

"You know, the way some of you "bend" the truth to hopefully get your way is making me tired. I mean really. "ACORN: McCain And GOP Used To Be Supporters" along with photos of many notable Republicans including a photo of John McCain attending its March 2006 rally. The huffingtonpost? Gee, do you suppose that's a liberal resource? Give me a break."

Oh, if you saw it on Fox you might believe it? You can dismiss the article if you like because you don't like where it was found. Just like we all know in real estate, a picture IS worth a thousand words. But facts are facts! Go look at the several photos of notable Republicans, incuding your candidate, John McCain, if you want to see for youself whether I'm "bending" the truth here.

Unfortunately, rather than trying to determine for yourself if this whole story about how bad ACORN is merely part of the Republican "spin" machine, your response is one of, " The Republican 'take' on this story must be correct. So don't try to confuse me with the facts - my minds made up."

Win

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Win Singleton, CRB, e-PRO
Associate Broker
Northern Virginia Real Estate, Inc.
1018 Shipman Lane, Suite 200
McLean, VA 22101
(703) 536-7631
wins@winsingleton.com
Licensed in Virginia
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Mark Ryan wrote:

Paul,
My reply to your post below is multi faceted...

One, I hate the way you try to manipulate the religion issue... I am not all
that religious but don't put that in someone's face that they can be a
good... fill in the blank if THEY want to choose who and when they give
money and that they can't be a good _____ if they oppose being forced or
pressured into it...

Two, this country was made great by capitalism and freedom NOT Marxist /
socialist policy and government... Read the first paragraph from your post
and reference the teaching of Karl Marx and the communist manifesto and you
two are right in line with each other...

Finally, "the rancor about ACORN is simply unfounded... someone should
understand what they are criticizing before they go ahead and criticize it"

Well I agree with HALF your statement... It is FOUNDED... when 13, thats
right 13 states as of today have criminal investigations into Acorn and
voter fraud you may want to think it IS founded??? One or two... who
knows... 13 where there is smoke there is FIRE... Oboma can LIE but the
truth is that he is all over Acorn and they are all over him...

I know many of you out there love Oboma and HATE Bush... get over it he is
not running again... Take a little bit and research Oboma and if you really
do it honestly I think it will scare you...
Check out this link for why Oboma may not even have the constitutional
ability to run for president... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyspCRmJv7w

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Mark: I am not trying to manipulate the religion issue, just voicing my
opinion, like you... Is that an issue for you? I have never said that people
should not have the right to choose who they give money to... and I
certainly never said that they are a bad xyz if the do something other than
what I think... Where you got that, I have no idea. Sounds like you are
either responding to some post someone else wrote, or just playing a
propagandist in your own right... and you do have the right to do that...
And I have the right to say that it is nonsense, and then show why... In
this case, you are arguing against points I never made... so it has to be
one or the other...

As for how this country was made great, I disagree with you... it was not
made great by any such things... it was made great by its people and
citizens, throughout history, acting as responsible parties in a democratic
republic. Capitalism is an economic system, but it describes, like all such
systems, the way people interact commercially in society... In and of itself
it does not make anything great. And often, capitalism can get out of hand.
I am no socialist, or communist, and have been a practicing capitalist for
my entire professional career, whether as a corporate attorney, as an
entrepreneur, or as an investor and venture capitalist... but that does not
mean that I should not see flaws in the system, or that I don't see
inequities or gross biases and corruption due to greed. I do see those
things, and thanks to our rule of law, and rights to free speech, I have the
ability to comment and criticize these things. Any system, whatever it may
be, can always stand some improvement, and it is my objective to contribute
as much as I can to that improvement, as far as I see it to be needed. You
can do the same, and I encourage you to do so. Also, Marx, like Greenspan,
Bernanke, Milton Friedman, and others, is a philosopher of economics... his
analysis was very insightful, and is used today by economists in the
capitalist world all day long... does that make the Chief Economists at
Goldman Sachs, or the Federal Reserve, or what have you, Communists or
Marxists? No, I don't think so... it just makes them wise economists who use
the best tool for the job...

Of course, as far as Acorn is concerned, you realize that what has happened
is that ACORN hired canvassers to recruit new voters. Some (about 1%
according to the Attorney General's Office) of the registrations were bad...
ACORN has marked the ones they think are bad, and reported the canvassers to
the Election Commission. They are required by law to submit all
registrations filled out. In some disturbing cases, the canvassers collected
their pay and sat at home and filled in registration forms on their own...
so in effect, ripping off ACRON for the fees. In previous elections, ACORN
has been accused of the same thing, and in each case the Attorney General
(including last time, Alberto Gonzales) have found no wrong doing. So what
you are complaining about I have no idea. Of course, this would be a good
tactic to gloss over and distract the public from the actions of voter role
purges that are currently still underway in Florida, Ohio and Colorado.
These, by Republican administrators.

So while ACORN acts according to law, and is attacked without basis, the
purges continue. Those are the facts.,. do with them what you will.

As for the You Tube video... it is nonsense... go check the facts yourself.

Paul Silver, Esq.
Focus Professionals, Inc.

Mark Ryan: Check out this link for why Oboma may not even have the
constitutional ability to run for president...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyspCRmJv7w

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About the YouTube video: First off, if a persona accuses another of a crime,
it is not the responsibility of the accused to prove otherwise... that is
counter to the Constitution.

Also, Obama's mother was an American citizen... he need not have been born
in the US territory... that would be like saying that a child of an American
soldier born abroad was not a citizen...

the other claims just don't make any sense... the arguments are spurious.

You really got to be kidding me? If this were legitimate, it would be much
more high profile... don't you think?

Paul Silver, Esq.
Focus Professionals, Inc.

Talk about misrepresenting an issue.

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	Political Issues RE: ACORN Tom Hathaway�Licensed Real Estate Broker , TN Oct 16, 2008 Paul Silver wrote: <<If I want to know more about ACORN I would look them up in the various non-profit group directories, such as Center For Foundation Research, which will give the programs they have sought funding for, the grants they have been awarded, etc. That will give you FACTS, not democratically defined opinions...>> Paul, It is interesting you would discount what representatives of ACORN say in person (videos of them saying it) and that you would put more faith in written documents that obviously have been written and cleaned up by third parties. As an attorney you surely are aware that the written word by a third party is not nearly as reliable as the spoken word by the actual representatives of the organization. By the way, one of my companies was once an ACORN target. It was all about the money. They tried to intimidate us into paying them tens of thousands of dollars rather than receive bad press. In order to intimidate us, they filed lawsuits against three of our franchisees in three Federal Court jurisdictions. The day our franchisees were served, we were contacted so they could have their attorney set up a meeting to "work things out". My company was accused of not including enough minority photos in our marketing. Oddly enough, when counting the people involved in the marketing pieces, they somehow forgot to count the Hispanics, Orientals, and other minorities pictured. They seemed only to be interested in the number of African Americans included. Their so called investigation amounted to next to nothing. ACORN had not even figure out that one office was owned by a Hispanic family, another office had 65% African Americans as agents, and the third office had 100% African Americans as agents. My in house legal counsel and a well known African American attorney (who happened to sit on the BOD of the local ACORN organization) defended me against the bogus lawsuits. ACORN's attorney had the cases dismissed the day that we had the meeting in our offices in Memphis. What makes this so revealing is that over half of the photos in our marketing materials included minorities, including African Americans, Hispanics, Orentials, and American Indians. Half of our business nationwide involved minority buyers. It became very apparent how racist the ACORN organization could be. Based on my experience, I have to question how sincere they about truly representing the interest of ALL minorities, and not just African Americans. ACORN's reported involvement in voter registration fraud does not surprise me one bit after my experience with them. Tom Hathaway McCain or Obama? Stay updated on coverage of the Presidential race while you browse -�Download Now! View / Reply on the Web���Reply to Community You are subscribed to�RealTalk�on�RealTown Communities. If you have forgotten your password,�click here. To unsubscribe from this list,�click here, or send an email to�RealTalk@RealTown.com�with "RealTalk:unsubscribe�Johncleek@mac.com" as the subject (without quotes).