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 Reporter Inquiry -- What Goes, What Stays?

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Lew Sichelman, Real Estate Educator ,  Chesapeake Beach,  MD

Date: September 29, 2008, Number of Replies: 6


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Hi, gang. This is syndicated housing columnist Lew Sichelman again, with another "brilliant" idea for a story. Here’s my premise this time around:

There’s a fine line between what goes when a house changes hands and what stays. And sellers often cross the line, taking all manner of things they shouldn’t – rose bushes, in one case; a favorite chandelier in another.

I’d like to hear some of your most egregious examples of folks who went over the line. I know that nowadays, it’s not uncommon for people who are being foreclosed upon to strip the house bare when the leave. But I’d like to stick to "normal" sales for this column.

Also, do you think people just don’t know any better or do they walk off with stuff on purpose?

And suggestions as to the best way for sellers to deal with the items they know in advance they don’t want to leave behind.

As always, thanks for your input. RealTalkers are a fine bunch, and their insight often provides consumers with much needed information.

Remember, this is for attribution (unless you say otherwise). But a little publicity never hurts, especially in these troubled times.

Lew Sichelman

Syndicated Housing Columnist

lsichelman@aol.com

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Joseph Coretti Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Milford

Date: September 30, 2008

Hi Lew,

I'm not sure if you have heard this one before but it just happened in August to a client of mine so I figured I would throw it out there.  My client bought a ranch home with a partially finished basement wood stove, tile and rug floor fully sheet rocked including ceiling. Next to the wood burning stove was a full size double hung window built in the wall covering the normal basement window it had shutters and curtains attached to it. The day of the walk-through, we proceeded to the basement to find the double hung window gone and a hole in the wall as you can guess my client was not to pleased, we then went to the closing and notified her attorney. To make a long story short they considered the window a decoration and my client wasn't compensated.  I purchased a window and installed it for her as her closing gift. You can be sure the next time I write and offer I will include the statement all windows seen at time of showing are included in sale.

Joseph Coretti
Milford CT Real Estate

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Katheryn "kat" Gardner Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Hilton Head Island,  SC

Date: October 1, 2008

Re: Reporter Inquiry -- What Goes, What Stays?

Hi, Joseph!

Wow! I don't know what kind of attorney would consider something that leaves a hole in a wall, a "decoration"! Was this window installed or just placed over the existing window much like a picture is hung on a wall? If it was installed, it was definitely part of the sale. It if was just hung like a picture, then it was a decoration. If it left significant damage, the very least the attorney should have done is held funds for repairs. One of the things I always look at in a home when I am working with a buyer, is how many pictures, wall scones, display shelves, trophies (yes, big animal heads on the wall!) there are around the home. If there are a lot, I always ask for some compensation to the buyer to put the walls in "move-in" shape. Sometimes the seller will have extra paint and if it has not been long since the walls were painted (maybe six months), that will work. If it has been longer than six months, many times the paint has faded enough so that the original color won't work anymore.

It is really strange what some sellers will do! I once sold a home and when the buyers moved in, they called me laughing. It seems the power had not been transferred to their name and they had no lights. Wrong! They had power. The sellers had removed every single light bulb in the house when they left! There is thrifty and then there is cheap!

I also had a friend and fellow realtor who sold a beautiful luxury home in a very nice country club neighborhood. The home had shown like a model with many custom features, including specialty paint in the formal dining area and family rooms, which had very high ceilings (15-20 ft.). These rooms had beautiful, large pieces of antique furniture in them that were excluded from the sale. You guessed it! Clients go for their walk through and find that the beautiful custom paint did not extend behind the furniture!! It was hysterical! Evidently, the furniture was too difficult to move, so they just painted behind it as far as they could reach. When they were confronted with this (their agent was livid by the way), they said they didn't think it would make any difference. Gotta love it!

This is a really great business and I believe that if you are in it long enough, you will see just about everything! Oh, the stories we could tell…

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Ronny Geenen Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Glendora,  CA

Date: October 1, 2008

Joseph Coretti wrote:

I'm not sure if you have heard this one before but it just happened in August to a client of mine so I figured I would throw it out there. My client bought a ranch home with a partially finished basement wood stove, tile and rug floor fully sheet rocked including ceiling. Next to the wood burning stove was a full size double hung window built in the wall covering the normal basement window it had shutters and curtains attached to it. The day of the walk-through, we proceeded to the basement to find the double hung window gone and a hole in the wall as you can guess my client was not to pleased, we then went to the closing and notified her attorney. To make a long story short they considered the window a decoration and my client wasn't compensated. I purchased a window and installed it for her as her closing gift. You can be sure the next time I write and offer I will include the statement all windows seen at time of showing are included in sale.

This window was attached to the house. That means this window is Real Property and not Personal Property. The seller is not allowed to take it down and take it with him/her.

RG

Glendora, CA 91741

Info@RonnyGeenen.com

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Eileen Landau, Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Naperville-Downers Grove,  IL

Date: October 1, 2008

What goes? What stays?

I always suggest to my buyers that during the inspection they take pictures of the property.

Then when we do the final walk-thru if there are damage issues, or missing appliances, we can prove it. Usually, that's all it takes.

And, remind the buyers to use a date stamp on the pictures.

Cordially,
Eileen Landau, ABR, CRS, E-Pro
Over 800 Homes Sold!
Realty Executives, Pro/Team
Serving Naperville, Downers Grove
and Woodridge
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630-515-9500 Office

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Sue Berg Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Dublin,  OH

Date: October 11, 2008

Re: Reporter Inquiry -- What Goes, What Stays?

I had a seller who had to rent back (could not get apartment that would allow their 2 huge dogs for 2 more months) from an unwilling buyer. One day the buyers were walking by when the dogs were outside in back yard. One got excited and jumped the fence, the buyers coaxed the dog back into the yard. They must have bonded because their agent called and said, "the dogs could stay" for a couple of months!

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Sue Berg Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Dublin,  OH

Date: October 15, 2008

Re: Reporter Inquiry -- What Goes, What Stays?

I had a seller who had to rent back (could not get apartment that would allow their 2 huge dogs for 2 more months) from an unwilling buyer. One day the buyers were walking by when the dogs were outside in back yard. One got excited and jumped the fence, the buyers coaxed the dog back into the yard. They must have bonded because their agent called and said, "the dogs could stay" for a couple of months!

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