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Carolyne L Licensed Real Estate Broker

Date: September 21, 2008

 
 
When folks on RT talk about putting listings on Craig's List, Google, and other freebies - how do you get it off of there when the property is sold. Does your Board not stipulate through rules and regs for advertising that the property listing "must come down as being offered "For Sale," and/or otherwise be marked as SOLD" within a specified time frame, after it has sold - so as not to mislead the public into thinking the house is still for sale? Just curious.
 
 

Going where tomorrow is - hope to see you there."Carolyne

Proudly putting my name to my work for 28 years :
CAROLYNE Realty Corp. Real Estate Brokerage (1991)
Burlington & Brampton real estate = http://www.carolyne.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Robert Nardi Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Naples,  FL

Date: September 21, 2008

First of all, thank you for all of the great information you are sharing. I too have been struggling with which marketing ideas work the best and give me the most bang for the buck. I started my own Real Estate Firm last year and now a year later, I can share what I have learned:
1) I have been consistently advertising in Homes & Land and I have actually sold couple of properties from my Advertisement. These type of magazines have worked best for me because they have shelf life. People grab them and then lay them down and then they rediscover them. I received a call yesterday and the Homes and Land she was referring to, was about 4 months old. So...I think the key is being consistent. One month here and there...isn't going to work. If you only have so much money for advertising dollars...talk to your advertisers. They are willing to deal now......in the past they haven't. I have a friend who negotiated a full page AD for a year in a Magazine for $500 per month. He's gotten quite a few leads and sales. So an investment of $6000 per year seems to work.
2) Find your market niche, develop a Web site (alamode charges only $399 a year and is well worth it if you have a small budget for a web site), including the keywords that go along with your market niche and then add yourself to every free real estate directory on the Internet you can and purchase domain names that have your keywords in it. I've done this and continue to get 1-2 inquiries a day.
3) E-mail a monthly Newsletter. If you are not in front of past & present clients, no matter how good you are, they are going to forget about you. I started this just a couple of months ago and 2 past clients have contacted me about looking for property for them. In addition, all the inquiries that I get on my web site, I add their e-mail addresses to this monthly newsletter. Now...I am in front of my inquiries on a monthly basis.
4) I pay for Google ad-words on a monthly basis. A client found me just by typing in "Florida Real Estate." This lead wouldn't have happened if I didn't pay for Google Ad-Words. Google, "Google Ad-words" and you learn more about this type of Internet Advertising.
What doesn't work is local newspaper advertising for me. I spent over $10,000 last year and did not get one lead. For some reason, local newspaper advertising, at least in Naples, FL, isn't working. I believe because the majority of our buyers are out-of-towners. They don't get a newspaper on a daily basis. So..they tend to pick up the Real Estate magazines instead or surf the internet.
Best of luck to everyone!
Regards,
Robert Nardi
R.L. Nardi & Associates, Inc.
Broker/Owner/REALTOR�
e-Pro Certified
www.RLNardi.com
(Cell) 239-293-3592
(Fax) 239-236-1474

Superior Service, Superior Results!
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Jill Finney Haymore said: Just today, I received a last minute call from our local newspaper. Someone had dropped out of the real estate edition at the last minute, leaving a vacancy of 1/2 page in Friday's edition and they were going to "let it go" at the cut rate of $400. Gee....for $400 I can increase my search engine presence for at least 10 months, or I can pay for 1/4 of my upgraded presence on realtor.com, or I can play for almost 1 year of improved visual tours and free links to those websites. Hmm.....it's just economics.

Our regions print real estate advertising magazine has gotten smaller and smaller, and for my part, it's not because of slower business....to the contrary, I am not advertising in that medium because the $$$ it generates are just not equal to the $$$ I spend. I will not be a defunct company because I've gone broke!

Seriously, advertising budgeting is critical. If we put the dollars we formerly spend on monthly real estate magazines, we could make a significantly stronger impact in other directions.

I agree. One of the things a Real Estate office can do is track the results of marketing by asking phone callers or any other leads: "Where did you see the ad?" Or, "How did you hear about us?" You can do this with a computerized appointment showing system. We happen to use a system by "AOS - Real Front Desk" The link to their site is http://www.reaos.com/reaos_site/. The program can be set up to track all your advertising campaigns. You can count the actual calls received and connect them to your advertising.




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Charles Kraus Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Columbia,  MD

Date: September 21, 2008

Jim / Everyone,

I have adopted a policy of NO PRINT ADVERTISING. Whenever I have a listing appointment, I tell the prospective seller that I don't advertise in print publications because print advertising is a dead man walking. I ask them is they would agree that internet information is both more abundant and content rich then print advertising. Most people relaize that when it comes to looking for real estate, the internet is the king of information. I tell them a little story about how 15 years ago a husband and wife may have begun their search by looking at the newspaper and perhaps running down to the corner convenience store to pick up one of those home magazines, but today they just grab their coffee and pad into the room where they keep their computer and plug into the world wide web of information. There they will find content rich information, multiple photos and now video. I have not lost a listing yet over this. If you are currently spending advertising dollars on any print advertising - stop it! It is a waste of time and resources. Put you time, money and efforts into the web. 

That's my opinion!

Charles Kraus, Managing Associate Broker, RE/MAX Experts, Annapolis, MD

ChesapeakeHomeFinder.com  

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rich@rich-hudson.com

Date: September 21, 2008

 

agree. One of the things a Real Estate office can do is track the results of
marketing by asking phone callers or any other leads: "Where did you see the
ad?" Or, "How did you hear about us?" You can do this with a computerized
appointment showing system. We happen to use a system by "AOS - Real Front
Desk" The link to their site is http://www.reaos.com/reaos_site/. The
program can be set up to track all your advertising campaigns. You can count
the actual calls received and connect them to your advertising.
Bart
 

Good point Bart. Having an automated front desk is great. Then you can tie
your efforts to or lead management system.
 

You don't have to waste time on asking where they found you. Set up
third-level domains, set up alias e-mail addresses, set up tracked
toll-free, purchase tracking devices (Google Analytics), etc. When they call
in you tell them. "Oh, I see you found us through...."
 

Having to ask them where they heard about you is tantamount to not having a
reliable tracking system for you marketing plan.
 

Rich

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rich@rich-hudson.com

Date: September 21, 2008

 

I have not used print advertising in over a year, and I do not miss it, nor
do I see any loss in business. I agressively utilize the internet and the
sites I syndicate to. I tell sellers up front that print advertising "Does
Not Work".

Monica McNamara

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Totally agree. The key is to have a listing syndication product that offers
it all. Saul's recent white paper on MLS 5.0 is a preview of what will
happen as we move forward. You can read the piece on RealTown at
http://FutureOfMLS.com.

If you are not looking at systems that are top-down driven, that provide
front and back office systems, that deliver listings from the MLS directly
to listing syndication partners, that gives you tracking of every lead and
every referral or hand-off to broker's agents, you should be.

Rich

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Carolyne L Licensed Real Estate Broker

Date: September 21, 2008

 
Some time ago I got an email inquiry, that as usual I responded to promptly. I asked the typical questions in response to his questions. He complained that he was receiving, sometimes daily, dozens of listing links from his prior agent he'd done business with several years earlier before the Net was "the thing."
 
 
His complaint was that he never got to talk with the agent, and only sometimes a team member. Day after day he received copies of MLS listings. The problem was, that although the listings were in the stipulated price range, none of the listings were "exactly" meeting the needs of the family - that had been stated, apparently, rather clearly to the agent.
 

Of course I asked if he had a contract with this agent, as a buyer. Answer: No. And the buyer was most displeased. He hated having to go through all the listings each and every day only to discover that none of them applied except by price range.
 
 
We spoke on the phone and I agreed to take him as a client but only with BIG RESTRICTIONS. He told me exactly what he wanted. And I told him exactly how we were not going to work. Of course what he wanted didn't exist, all in one house, in a location he described, at the price he was prepared to pay; not that he couldn't afford more - just he didn't want to spent it; he was even prequalified at his bank. Sometimes people build a house in their heads.
 
 
When he described "what" he wanted I knew exactly where such would be. I also knew that these sorts of combo's hardly ever come on the market and they were hardly ever built - anyplace - in my trading area. The lay of the land simply did not permit builders to offer this sort of floor plan, along with everything else on his wish-list, very often.
 
 
He wanted/needed a long driveway... a two-storey house set back a bit from the street... a large backyard with a walk-out basement, finished fully. A large eat-in family size kitchen had to be part of the package and they needed four generous bedrooms. A winding staircase would be ideal. Had to be on a cul de sac (keyhole court) that was meant to be child-safe. Oh, yes: it had to back on a parkland. Most often a cul de sac has shorter driveways and it is a really rare occasion when you get both a large front yard and a sizeable backyard - much less on a park, on a cul de sac ... only on a few streets in the whole town. Nothing was for sale and rarely came for sale.
 

However, he chose a few properties he wanted to see that were in his price range. I agreed to show him three only, and if none of them were "perfect" he would have to wait for me to choose what he would view. I knew there were things about each of the properties that would not appeal to his list - and he spent more than an hour in each house (that he was never going to buy) flushing toilets, and running taps and pacing room sizes, trying to talk himself into a fit. He had to be READY to fly when I called. He might have to take time off work to view. He did, and we did.
 
 
 
It all worked out beautifully in the end. Within a few short weeks I found him the perfect place, the minute it came on the market. And, wouldn't you know it - there were multiple offers. Why? Fully explained above. But the point of this story is that unless an agent does major follow-up and follow-through to sending computerized information - NOTHING is going to happen. And the agent had not met with him and explained the impossibility of finding what he wanted at the price he had in mind... so all the wrong information was getting sent out, and the buyer was extremely frustrated, to the point where he started doing his own research but found it too time-consuming. He thought that was the agent's job. He was prepared to pay a premium commission to the person who could do the job. I did. He did. And they are beyond pleased.
 
So the moral of the story is: no point in sending computerized information that has not been viewed first by the agent in charge. Just my opinion. Now that the market has shifted so much so, it is even more important to fine file information and critique every piece of information personally.
 

Going where tomorrow is - hope to see you there."Carolyne

Proudly putting my name to my work for 28 years :
CAROLYNE Realty Corp. Real Estate Brokerage (1991)
Burlington & Brampton real estate = http://www.carolyne.com
 

 
 
 
 
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Fred Light Information Technology,  Nashua,  NH

Date: September 21, 2008

PRINT IS DEAD.

Need proof?  Besides the LA Times canning their real estate section (that's pretty telling right there....), I have a great example of why advertising in fish wrap no longer works.

I recently have had two features stores in the two largest daily newspapers in the state - two weeks apart.

One article was in the real estate section.  

The second story followed two weeks later in a different paper.  It was on the front page.  Not only that, it was a large, feature story.  Not only that, it was above the fold, directly under the masthead.  A 6" square photo of a broker was on the front page.

Now, any journalist will tell you that to have a feature story above the fold, under the masthead in a major daily newspaper is THE absolute best placement for a story.  Period.  Not only that, the story was about different methods that realtors are using to market properties in a slow market - something fairly timely considering how many properties are languishing on the market right now.

Can I tell you that it may as well have never been printed.  I received NO phone calls.  NO emails.  NO inquiries.  My website received no significant bump in traffic. The fact that two articles were in the paper hasn't been mentioned by a single person. The broker featured in the story received NO phone calls.  His website got NO bump in traffic, even though the URL was front and center in the photograph on page ONE. 

These were prominent feature stories, not classified ads in the back of the paper. 

The deafening sound of NOTHING only makes it very clear to me that newspapers must be a complete waste of advertising dollars.

Times have changed.  

 

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Eileen Landau, Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Naperville-Downers Grove,  IL

Date: September 21, 2008

I too stopped my newspaper print advertising probably 10 years ago. In all the previous years that I spent money advertising I could never directly attribute a listing or a buyer to the ads.

Instead, like many of you, I do Google ppc...and have had 80% of my buyer sides come from that medium. Love it.

Cordially,
Eileen Landau, ABR, CRS, E-Pro
Over 800 Homes Sold!
Realty Executives, Pro/Team
Serving Naperville, Downers Grove
and Woodridge
630-961-2600 Direct
630-515-9500 Office

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Tal Kramer Licensed Real Estate Agent,  GA

Date: September 22, 2008

Print Media Advertising

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Regarding a Full Page ad for 12 months in a real estate magazine Robert Nardi wrote; "So an investment of $6000 per year seems to work." , which triggered some thoughts... Like many of you, I've been doing this some time (17+ years). The most common sales pitch I get from marketing vendors (print, web, etc.) goes something like this; "If you get just one sale - It pays for itself". My typical response is I'm not looking for a tool that only "pays for itself", I want a marketing tool that pays for itself 4, 5 or 10 times over.

Advertising / Marketing can be looked at from two perspectives. My first litmus test is to ask myself whether the tool is A) a Selling Tool or B) a Listing Tool? In other words, does it actually increase sales or is the real benefit that it impresses sellers and therefore helps get more listings? There's a valid basis for both but its important to be realistic when evaluating the cost / benefit of any marketing tool.

I advertised in the supermarket real estate magazines for many, many years. Full page color ads every single month. My conclusion is that while real estate magazines can sell a home from time to time, if evaluated on a cost versus commissions earned basis, my own experience is the cost outweighs the commissions most of the time (exceptions noted). With that said, its my opinion that print advertising is a Listing Tool, not a Selling Tool.

If you are willing to invest $6,000 (as in Robert's example) for Advertising / Marketing, the question to ask is what tool will get the greatest return on investment? For example, while I'm not an "Open House" proponent, I would imagine that if I paid a fellow agent $100 to sit an Open House for me and did that for 50 weeks of the year, I would probably generate a lot more leads / sales than I would with the Full Page real estate magazine ad.

Food for thought...

Tal Kramer

Tal and Jeanette Kramer
Re/Max Communities
- Metro Atlanta
770-971-0025
Mobile: 678-978-1900
Kramer@MyDreamHome.com
www.MyDreamHome.com

We're never too busy for your referrals :-)
 
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Date: September 22, 2008

 Brett Shaw from Cyberhomes:

Interesting point Robert.  As I'm sitting here during my floor time (receiving no calls or visitors), I wonder if this wouldn't be better used as an Instant Messaging format, or being available for a video conference.  We have to face facts, print is dying.  And even if it's not, the use of it as a marketing tool is.  With everything available on the internet for free or close to it, it just makes sense to focus on that.  Not only is it the cheapest, but it's also where everyone else is looking.  Cyberhomes.com offers so much to agents and potential buyers and sellers.  With local information so ready at hand, why wait for the paper every morning?  

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