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 Short sale offers

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Karen Mandel, Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Escondido,  CA

Date: March 5, 2008, Number of Replies: 19


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"My office has submitted many many short sales offers. We have reached the decision makers at many different financial institutions. The majority of the banks will not work with us, or they lose the offers, and never return the calls. It is not uncommon to make 15 to 20 calls to each lender. With foreclosures escalating why can't we get any respect or help from these lenders? They treat us like we are the enemy. The offers are decent, the buyers are qualified and ready to go. Why is the mind set of the lender to take the house back and not get it off their books.? We are all frustrated and hesitant to write an offer on a short sale."
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Lindy Hall Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Houston,  TX

Date: March 6, 2008

Karen, there have been many threads on this subject.... and, as one of them pointed out: 
Most of these loans have mortgage insurance, so the bank is assured of getting 80% of that loan. If any of your offers are for less than 80% of the loan, then the bank has no reason to want the offer.... nor to respond.
Now, on the loans made with substantial downpayments, and not subject to mortgage insurance, the lenders may be a bit more receptive.

Lindy in Houston
 

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Joellen Chappell Licensed Real Estate Broker

Date: March 6, 2008

"My office has submitted many many short sales offers. We have reached the decision makers at many different financial institutions. The majority of the banks will not work with us, or they lose the offers, and never return the calls. It is not uncommon to make 15 to 20 calls to each lender. With foreclosures escalating why can't we get any respect or help from these lenders? They treat us like we are the enemy. The offers are decent, the buyers are qualified and ready to go. Why is the mind set of the lender to take the house back and not get it off their books.? We are all frustrated and hesitant to write an offer on a short sale."

 

 

 

We’ve often wondered the same thing.  My experience in managing an office is that maybe 10% of the short sales actually close escrow.  I believe the problem has a couple of issues to address:

1.       The staff at the lender seems to be in “bill collector” mode.  Are they judged on how much they can negotiate?   If it ends up going to foreclosure, “oh well” that’s not their department.

2.      The homeowner also is an issue, they have not always been totally up front with the lender up to this point, mainly because they are embarrassed, unfamiliar with the process and intimidated by the people on the other end of the phone. 

3.      And for the lender/investor, it is hard to believe that a home can lose that much value that fast.  It’s hard for us to believe it.

4.      Then we have the listing agent, who is negotiating on behalf of the seller.  What is their attitude?  Are they adversarial? Are they prepared?  Are they polite? Determined? Do they persist when the answers they are getting are not what the Homeowner needs?  Are they providing the volume of information to help the Lender make a good decision?  I have always believed that the listing agent is key to getting a short sale accepted and closed.

 

So what is the solution?  For the homeowner, having a Realtor in their corner is essential.  We at least understand the process and want what is best for our client, the homeowner.

The lenders needs to adjust their thinking about us and acknowledge the common goal.  Are we going to earn money in this process?  Absolutely!  Is the lender going to benefit from our expertise? Absolutely.  And what about the homeowner?  They are being helped out of an ugly situation with the hope that, in the future, they will be homeowners again.  A win for everyone.

 

One of the other issues you bring up about “get it off the books” is a big one.  As long as it is “on the books” it is an asset.  The minute they write down the loan that is no longer the case.

 

I often advise my agents to get past that first line of telephone operators to someone with more experience (if that exists) and authority.  Persistence pays off, most of the time. 

 

I believe it will get easier and more productive in the future.  Don’t give up, your clients need you!

 

 

Joellen Chappell, CRP

Broker Associate

Sales Manager

Century 21 M & M and Associates

3201 W. Ben Holt #111

Stockton, CA  95219

Direct (209) 249-6535

Cell (209)495-1188

Fax (209) 624-5407

 

 

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Ed Hain Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Walnut/Diamond Bar,  CA

Date: March 6, 2008

I'm starting to do short sales again and find that things are a lot different this time than the last time we were in an upside-down market. The difference now is that there are so many more short sales and foreclosures in the system. Banks weren't ready for the surge this time and it's growing. So they constantly are barely keeping pace with the deluge. Now, I'm not making excuses for the banks, but I can understand their dilemma. There are things we can do. First, when you list a short sale contact the lenders and find out exactly what they need in the short sale package. BTW, it is total myth that you can get short sale approval before you have an offer. Make sure all the information the bank says it wants is complete, all forms are signed, and submit ONLY by mail or overnight courier with signature receipt required. Don' try call the banks every few days. It won't work. They are too busy to field the thousands of calls. If your package is complete and the offer you are submitting is truly reasonable, the banks will look at it. Expect it to take at least 45-60 days for approval and 90 days (possibly longer) for approval.
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Date: March 6, 2008

Lindy writes, "Most of these loans have mortgage insurance, so the bank is assured of getting 80% of that loan. If any of your offers are for less than 80% of the loan, then the bank has no reason to want the offer.... nor to respond."

 

Maybe in Huston and or majority of country, most of the loans have a MI. However, in some markets, most of the loans do not have an MI. Rather, in some markets, most of the loand are without MI. These were done as 80/20 deals to avoid MI.

Point being, the Realtor needs to find out what kind of a loan they are dealing with and then go from there. If it is a loan with MI, yes, lot of times the bank has no reason whatsoever to even respond to you. But in situations where it is not an insured loan, they have a lot of incentive to try to work things out.

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Deborah Allison Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Washington,  OK

Date: March 6, 2008

 
 
My office has submitted many many short sales offers. We have reached the decision makers at many different financial institutions. The majority of the banks will not work with us, or they lose the offers, and never return the calls. It is not uncommon to make 15 to 20 calls to each lender. With foreclosures escalating why can't we get any respect or help from these lenders? They treat us like we are the enemy. The offers are decent, the buyers are qualified and ready to go. Why is the mind set of the lender to take the house back and not get it off their books.? We are all frustrated and hesitant to write an offer on a short sale."
 
 
I have also wrote up several short sales offers, in which the lender's foreclosure attorney would not return my calls.  However, the lender did acknowledge my offer and strung me along.  I did not have a cash buyer, but buyers for the homes.  I never had ONE short sale accepted and I will not waste my time again.  I felt sorry for the sellers who asked me to try and help them.
 
Deborah Allison
Central Oklahoma
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Date: March 7, 2008

Lindy in Houston wrote:
Most of these loans have mortgage insurance, so the
bank is assured of getting 80% of that loan. If any of
your offers are for less than 80% of the loan, then
the bank has no reason to want the offer.... nor to
respond.
Now, on the loans made with substantial downpayments,
and not subject to mortgage insurance, the lenders may
be a bit more receptive.

However the fact is that the bank is only assured of
getting up to 35% depending on the PMI program most of
the time it is only 20% at lease that is the rule in
the great state of PA. We must also remember that not
all companies and banks required PMI on all loans
since there are no laws that I kow of that require
PMI. Please reember I am from the state of PA,and
don't wish to lead anyone into the state of confusion
so please check with you Broker or Leagel advisor.

Philip J. Cunningham Sr.e-pro
Joseph Solomon Realtors
304 Huntingdon Pike
Rockledge,PA 19046
http://GreatPaRealEstate.com
Office 215-379-1722 Fax 215-379-1622
E-Mail PhilCunningham2004@yahoo.com

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BrucePaluzzi@comcast.net

Date: March 7, 2008

 

Karen Mandel asks,

"My office has submitted many many short sales offers. We have reached the decision makers at many different financial institutions. The majority of the banks will not work with us, or they lose the offers, and never return the calls. It is not uncommon to make 15 to 20 calls to each lender. With foreclosures escalating why can't we get any respect or help from these lenders? They treat us like we are the enemy. The offers are decent, the buyers are qualified and ready to go. Why is the mind set of the lender to take the house back and not get it off their books.? We are all frustrated and hesitant to write an offer on a short sale."

 

 

Bruce Replies:  We don’t get any respect because the people at the other end of the phones couldn’t care less about these homes getting foreclosed upon or not.   If they set it up so there were people on commission who had to see short sales through to a close, then we would get somewhere, but these people are handed a zillion repo-ready homes, and a zillion short sales, and they don’t care!   You have to remember that even though we as agents call and are polite and kind to the lender employees, most of the people they talk to are the homeowners who are in financial trouble and are usually not very nice on the phone!  I have a short right now on a 200K+ house with Wells Fargo.  Our offer is a short sale by only 8K.  Wells Fargo has lost faxes, certified mail, and I think if I stamped the sellers financial info on their foreheads that their foreheads would fall off!

 

The only success I have had in short sales is through harassment.  I or an assistant call 6 times per day, every day until it is settled,  to verify that they have everything they need, and are working on the file.  If they tell you the file is not assigned to one person, then ask for a manager. Harass that manager until the file is assigned.  Then harass the person it is assigned too.  It is amazing how many times I have called and been told they have everything they need from me and are looking at the file, then 2 hours later I call and ask if they have everything they need from me and they say they need something like an updated financial statement from the homeowner,

 

It is only going to get worse, as there are more foreclosures and more short sales in the pipeline than ever in history! Forewarn your sellers and buyers, and if you get a legitimate offer and the lender is not working with you, tell your client that between you and them, you are going to bug the lender until you see some results.  Good Luck, and remember, they could care less!  

 

BrucePaluzzi@243-9999.com       Broker Associate, e-Pro, short-sale hater!

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Steele Propp Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Minneapolis,  MN

Date: March 8, 2008

Most of these loans have mortgage insurance, so the
bank is assured of getting 80% of that loan. If any of
your offers are for less than 80% of the loan, then
the bank has no reason to want the offer.... nor to
respond.
Now, on the loans made with substantial downpayments,
and not subject to mortgage insurance, the lenders may
be a bit more receptive.

However the fact is that the bank is only assured of
getting up to 35% depending on the PMI program most of
the time it is only 20% at lease that is the rule in
the great state of PA.
 
As explained to us you are correct.  PMI usually insures up to the first 20% (sometimes a bit more).  The idea was that if a property came back the lender should be able to resell it for at least 80%.  Of course, now even that is in question.
 
So if a person puts down 5% the PMI is taking care of the next 15%.  Simplified example.
 
As a member of the foreclosure industry I can tell you, however, that PMI rarely has much of a say in things whether short sale or foreclosure.
 
FWIW
 
Steele

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Richard Lannon Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Braintree,  MA

Date: March 8, 2008

Karen, I can certainly understand your frustrations. I would urge you to keep up on the short sales, and do not exclude them from your business plan. In my area of the South Shore of Massachusetts, it seems like 3 types of properties are selling; foreclosures, short sales, and properties priced below market.  I am currently doing my 3rd short sale, with two already successfully closed, and while I have found the banks difficult to reach and communicate with, in the end they have been willing to accept the short sale as it is far less costly than foreclosure.  Good luck

 



Rich Lannon, Broker/Realtor

Keller Williams, Braintree, MA

Mailto:Rich@RichLannon.com  Cell 617-571-8510

http://lannonhomes.com

 

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