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 Agency & Article 16

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Melanie McLane, Real Estate Educator ,  Jersey Shore,  PA

Date: January 31, 2008, Number of Replies: 11


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I had a student ask me a question the other day that has me thinking, and I'd like other input on it. As a buyer's agent, she went to show a listing in the MLS, listed through another company. It was a scheduled appointment (listing agent knew she and her client would be going through the house). Throughout the house were, for lack of a better term, 'ads' promoting the use of the listing agent as a buyer, e.g. "Buy through Agent X and receive up to $10,000 in benefits!" "Buy though Agent X and get a free home inspection!" All of the information indicated that these benefits were available only if the buyer uses Agent X. She asked: isn't this a violation of Article 16--I'm in there with my client, and the listing agent is trying to entice my client to dump me and go with him...so..what do you guys think?

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Steele Propp Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Minneapolis,  MN

Date: January 31, 2008

I had a student ask me a question the other day that has me thinking, and I'd like other input on it. As a buyer's agent, she went to show a listing in the MLS, listed through another company. It was a scheduled appointment (listing agent knew she and her client would be going through the house). Throughout the house were, for lack of a better term, 'ads' promoting the use of the listing agent as a buyer, e.g. "Buy through Agent X and receive up to $10,000 in benefits!" "Buy though Agent X and get a free home inspection!" All of the information indicated that these benefits were available only if the buyer uses Agent X. She asked: isn't this a violation of Article 16--I'm in there with my client, and the listing agent is trying to entice my client to dump me and go with him...so..what do you guys think?

Pretty tacky.  Ultimately it would be up to an ethics panel to decide this but I would say there would be a pretty good shot at most Boards.
 
Obviously this is aimed at other agents' clients.  If the listing agent is showing the house he doesn't need these reminders, he would be saying it.  So he has no argument that he is not doing this.
 
Personally I would be filing a charge.  It's a hassle but worth it to stop bad practices.  We have come so far in professionalism and ethics so this is especially offensive.
 
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Date: January 31, 2008

Yes and no.  The material was simply there.  The agent didn't actively market to the buyer.  Admittedly a grey area.  I would not do it, but it's just another example of aggressive marketing.
 
RE: Listing agent bonus offers to buyers legt in property. 
Please copy and paste a portion of the post you are responding to in order for others to follow the context of the thread. (**then delete this line**)
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Melina Tomson Licensed Real Estate Broker,  OR

Date: January 31, 2008

16-2 states  Article 16 does not preclude REALTORS® from making general announcements to prospects describing their services and the terms of their availability even though some recipients may have entered into agency agreements or other exclusive relationships with another REALTOR®.

 I assume we are talking about brochures on a table or something? I mean I can't imagine the seller allowed her to put up banners and posters in the home.  CB out here has their Home Service for Life program which requires that you use one of their agents to buy a home.  I have walked into many an open house with a client, and there are those materials all over the place.  I don't offer gimmicks, but on the rare occasion I do an open house for a client, I bring my brochures and such.  I don't think that is any different that what you are talking about.

Agents advertise all of the time, "Buy through me and get a Plasma tv."  There are a lot of gimmicks.  Maybe she just had an open house over the weekend and left her materials there.  Maybe she just leaves a few there for when she does showings to hand out to buyers without agents.  Who knows.  I don't think there is a sinister plan here. .

Now if the other agent showed the house to your client for you, knowing that she had an agency relationship with you, and then gave her a speech about why she should switch that would be different.  There is so much advertising out there to entice clients away from their agents. Sometimes people get so bent out of shape about "enticing" each others clients away.  You clients aren't going to be enticed away if they believe you doing a good job for them.   I guess I think that if your client is going to be enticed away due to a brochure that states she can have a free home inspection, then you aren't doing a very good job as a buyers agent. 

Melina Tomson, MS
Serving the Salem, OR Metro area
www.salemoregonhomes.blogspot.com
melina@tomsonburnham.com
www.TomsonBurnham.com
ph: 503-371-6515
fax: 503-588-1628

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Mick Burke Licensed Real Estate Broker,  ALBUQUERQUE, NM 87125,  NM

Date: January 31, 2008

I go in houses all the time where there is tons of  propaganda.  It doesn't affect me in the least and it certainly doesn't affect my clients views of the house or me as a Realtor, I work on referrals and they use me because I am the best not because I am going to buy them.  Me personally, I wouldn't worry about it.   

what I would worry about is RESPA!  We need to all be very aware of the RESPA laws and what we are offering to prospective clients.  Free stuff to make a sale is a big no no and HUD has been handing out big fines right and left. 

 Mick Burke  e-Pro

Golden Realtors
Albuquerque, NM USA
(505) 228-1500
fax (505) 765-1353
Mick@HomesintheQ.com
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Samuel Grogan Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Charlotte,  NC

Date: February 1, 2008

Hello Melanie,

I would think that this is definitely an Article 16 Violation.  It seems like that is a blatant solicitation of a buyer that is presumably already under a Buyer Agency contract (assuming that your state has buyer agency).  The likelihood that a buyer would be touring the home without a buyer is very slim.  The best way to find out for sure is to contact your local Association.  With all of the blind ads, and dishonest practices going on, I have ours here in Charlotte on speed dial...

Have a great day,

Sam Grogan, ePRO
Broker, Realtor®
Coldwell Banker United
704-564-0220 Direct
704-541-4224 Fax
 
Original message below.

 

I had a student ask me a question the other day that has me thinking, and I'd like other input on it. As a buyer's agent, she went to show a listing in the MLS, listed through another company. It was a scheduled appointment (listing agent knew she and her client would be going through the house). Throughout the house were, for lack of a better term, 'ads' promoting the use of the listing agent as a buyer, e.g. "Buy through Agent X and receive up to $10,000 in benefits!" "Buy though Agent X and get a free home inspection!" All of the information indicated that these benefits were available only if the buyer uses Agent X. She asked: isn't this a violation of Article 16--I'm in there with my client, and the listing agent is trying to entice my client to dump me and go with him...so..what do you guys think?

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Mary Starkey Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Springboro,  OH

Date: February 1, 2008

I had a student ask me a question the other day that has me thinking, and I'd like other input on it. As a buyer's agent, she went to show a listing in the MLS, listed through another company. It was a scheduled appointment (listing agent knew she and her client would be going through the house). Throughout the house were, for lack of a better term, 'ads' promoting the use of the listing agent as a buyer, e.g. "Buy through Agent X and receive up to $10,000 in benefits!" "Buy though Agent X and get a free home inspection!" All of the information indicated that these benefits were available only if the buyer uses Agent X. She asked: isn't this a violation of Article 16--I'm in there with my client, and the listing agent is trying to entice my client to dump me and go with him...so..what do you guys think?

This seems that it would definitely defy RESP’s  section about

 (a)Business referrals.  No person shall give and no person shall accept any fee, kickback or thing of value pursuant to any agreement or understanding, oral or otherwise, that business incident to or part of a real estate settlement service involving a federally related mortgage loan shall be referred to any person.

Our broker had the company lawyer speak to the agents about this and he indicated that as agents, we are not to give or get anything to induce a client to buy or sell their home.  We are not to give anything for referrals from other people also. Fines can be up to $10,000 or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.

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Melina Tomson Licensed Real Estate Broker,  OR

Date: February 1, 2008

I agree RESPA is an issue, but I assume the $10,000 in incentives is some sort of rebate?  We don't allow rebating in Oregon, but I guess I assumed the fine print said it was a rebate. 

How things are worded in the fine print is really important.  What does the fine print say?

Melina Tomson, MS
Serving the Salem, OR Metro area
www.salemoregonhomes.blogspot.com
melina@tomsonburnham.com
www.TomsonBurnham.com
ph: 503-371-6515
fax: 503-588-1628

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Robert King Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Saint Petersburg,  FL

Date: February 1, 2008

 
Agency & Article 16 may or may not be according to this opinion.
 
All of the information indicated that these benefits were available only if the buyer uses Agent X
 
What this boils down to is IF the buyer uses AGENT X!  I don't think this is a clear cut case of breaking Agency & Article 16.  It would depend on IF, the Buyer felt that their better interest would be served if they worked with the party of the advertised materials.  However, I would be real careful about Rebating for services of any kind as an agent.  Inducement is the real issue and only if the buyer used Agent X for that inducement.  I think the the rubber would only meet the road if the buyer dumped their agent and used the other agent.  And only if the buyer's agent took legal action.  Yea right!!!!  I'm sure the snooze paper doesn't have bigger fish to fry.  As far as I'm concerned I think the whole idea of inducing a buyer to perform is stupid.  Rebates and Kickbacks, call them what you want, it all boils down to dead fish in the hot sun.  It's markets like this current market that bring out all the vermin and sharks ready to take the bait.
 
Robert King
Broker/Consultant
Charles Rutenberg, Realtor
Clearwater, Florida 
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williamshultz@comcast.net

Date: February 2, 2008

 
Regarding Article 16 and does the $10,000 incentive.....  call the listing agent and ask how the incentive program works,  then call the listing broker and ask if he / she has approved this program.  Then you can take the appropriate people to the your local board or realtors,  I have heard that NAR is having difficulties dealing with companies who promote rebates as policy, it will be interesting to see how that shakes out.   Bill Re/Max Centre
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