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I am not talking about individual ranking for each page but for the
overall site page rank which is highest on your home page. Page ranking
is an algorithm of the page rank of your indexed pages, Sites linking to
your site, content, keywords, and on page optimization. There are other
factors but the factor that effects your page rank on the highest scale
is linking. There are some SEO sites that publish formulas to figure out
page rank they can average but Google guards these formulas and changes
them as though they were National Treasure.
Page Rank in Google determines your placement within the Keywords you
selected. Without page rank you will never get on the first three pages
on any keyword that is competitive and geared towards your market area.
If you dont get on the first three pages of your keyword the traffic is
not going to come to your site. This is widely published statistic all
over the internet
Linking is the key to the door.
Point2 Networks built in linking page with mostly 0 page rank sites on
it linking to your site will almost never allow your pages to increase
in page rank and therefore you will never be competitive in your
keywords untill you get that phone call from one of their affiliates
saying for a fee I can get you to the top pages of your keywords. There
is absolutely no reason with all of the websites on point2 that for
relativly little work on there links page that point2 websites should
rank low in page rank. I could with my knowledge arrange their links
page so that it drives up all of our page ranks and no one would be able
to compete with Realtors who have point2 website. Something is fishy.
John Norton
Associate Broker
Realty Executives of DC
http://www.johnnorton.us

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> /John Norton wrote:
> //The amount of pages that can be indexed for your website is directly
> related to your page rank. Page rank 0 or 1 sites are only going to
> have 40 or so pages indexed by Google and those pages indexed before
> others will have the higher content. So you can have a thousand pages
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> That is not accurate. Page rank is based on the individual page, not
> the site overall. There is no number guide as to pages indexed
> determined by PR. Google will index all pages if they are spiderable.
> One of our sites typically has close to 4,000 pages indexed, even
> those pages with 0-1 PR. And, of course, you can get add content on
> those pages to get good ranking on Google without having PR. We have
> many pages with no PR yet have top spots for long tail searches. Don't
> let Page Rank be the measure of success of a site. That is only a part
> of the formula. What you see on the tool bar for PR is not
> necessarily the actual PR. That's why some call it the Fool Bar. The
> best long term strategy should be adding content that visitors are
> looking for, not trying to manipulate ranking.
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>From the Desk of : John Norton
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Http://www.JohnNorton.us
Realty Executives of DC.
4624 Wisconsin Ave NW.
Washington DC. 20016
Cell Phone: (301) 213-7258
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I have to agree with Drew here. PR as no bearing on the number of
indexed pages, from what I have seen here.

For a site with a lot of pages that are not indexed, you need to look
hard at your sitemap.xml, and your navigation to those pages. That's
where your will find the problem.

A reliance on Javascript or drop-down list navigation, combined with
an incomplete sitemap.xml file will mean that the engines can't find
the pages. That is why you see straight HTML site links in footers on
sites that have fancy mouseover navigation bars. So the links get
indexed.

The best advice about PR is to ignore it. Get links from other
relevant sites. In real estate, that is home and real estate-related
sites. Get as many as you can, indefinitely.

Best regards,

Dirk Johnson
Partner - Operations
DomainDrivers LLC
djohnson@domaindrivers.com
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http://domaindrivers.realtown.com
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> John Norton wrote:
> I could with my knowledge arrange their links
> page so that it drives up all of our page ranks and no one would be
> able
> to compete with Realtors who have point2 websites.
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Actually, one of the first things I do with my clients' Point2 sites
is turn off the connection to Point2's links pages, to reduce the risk
of their being penalized by Google if it ever turns its eye towards
Point2 like it did REW and AA sites. While Point2 sites CAN rank very
highly with good SEO work, I don't feel Point2's links pages are the
way to go.

Suzanne

Suzanne Hathcock Stephens
Point2 Design Partner
http://www.SuzStephens.com
Phone/fax: 360-666-0881

As Dirk has suggested before, link exchange isn't bad provided you
know what you're doing. AA sites - the ones that were penalized - got
Google's wrath because the majority of their link exch. partners were
also AA site owners - thus all link partners were on the same I.P.
range. If you own a Point2 site and do link exchanges, step outside
the network on your link exchanges and only link to actually decent
sites (don't exchange willy nilly) - and you'll be fine.

Take some of your budget away from newspaper ads and put it towards
DomainDrivers - you'll see significant results!

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> > John Norton wrote:
> > I could with my knowledge arrange their links
> > page so that it drives up all of our page ranks and no one would be
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> Actually, one of the first things I do with my clients' Point2 sites
> is turn off the connection to Point2's links pages, to reduce the risk
> of their being penalized by Google if it ever turns its eye towards
> Point2 like it did REW and AA sites. While Point2 sites CAN rank very
> highly with good SEO work, I don't feel Point2's links pages are the
> way to go.
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Cheryl Allin said:
"AA sites - the ones that were penalized - got Google's wrath because
the majority of their link exch. partners were also AA site owners -
thus all link partners were on the same I.P."

Essentially, search engines do not like structured schemes that make
it easy to artificially increase link popularity. That includes "link
clubs" wherein everyone links to everyone else, and not many other
sites. Their algorithms have ways to sort this out. They do not
always catch it, but they can.

Which explains that there are still some AA sites that rank well in
Google. From what I have seen, they got their links from outside of
the AA network, using more traditional reciprocation methods.

We do not participate in any of these "link clubs" on behalf of our
clients. We even try to avoid inter-linking our own real estate
clients, just as a precaution. We try to get links the old fashioned
way, site by site.

Search engines also realize that basic reciprocation between two
sites in the same realm of interest have a legitimate reason to link
to and from each other, to their mutual benefit. Reciprocation of
links is a concept that pre-dates every search engine, and is one of
the original web marketing concepts.

Best regards,

Dirk Johnson
Partner - Operations
DomainDrivers LLC
djohnson@domaindrivers.com
703-406-4698
http://domaindrivers.realtown.com
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