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Paul Silver,  Portsmouth,  RI

Date: January 22, 2008

Neal Adler wrote in part: For that matter how about non REALTORS(r) to be a
member of NAR?

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My understanding (please help Jim Lee) is that non-agents or brokers can
join NAR... mortgage brokers, etc., do, I believe... no?

Paul Silver
Focus Professionals, Inc.

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Melina Tomson Licensed Real Estate Broker,  OR

Date: January 22, 2008

I haven't been paying attention to this thread but my local MLS, WVMLS, does not require Realtor membership. We have rules, by-laws and a code of ethics for our MLS.  About 50% of our members are Realtors.  Is is such a non-issue here.  I do think that some of you are a little mislead that somehow being a Realtor has anything to do with being professional.

Oregon requires 120 hours of class AND you have to pass a 200 question test in order to be an agent here.  I can tell you that action alone takes care of most ethical and professionalism issues alone.  Some of you share really odd stories about other agents, that I just don't hear about here.  That is not to say we don't have bad agents here, we do, but most are average, and several are exceptional. Few are truly bad.

I think the way to get more professional agents has nothing to do with the NAR.  NAR offers many excellent and some not so excellent things for real estate agents and consumers.  Professionalism starts at the state level with higher entry requirements into the field, and then having brokerages actually supervise their clients.

Stopping non-Realtors from being a part of the MLS has nothing to do with anything.  It won't make them be more professional.  The only thing is does is make the Realtor designation meaningless since it is a forced choice for most agents, not a voluntary one. 

 Melina Tomson, MS
Serving the Salem, OR Metro area
www.salemoregonhomes.blogspot.com
melina@tomsonburnham.com
www.TomsonBurnham.com
ph: 503-371-6515
fax: 503-588-1628

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donnamarine@comcast.net

Date: January 24, 2008

 
In response to:
 
my local MLS, WVMLS, does not require Realtor membership. We have rules, by-laws and a code of ethics for our MLS.  About 50% of our members are Realtors.  It is such a non-issue here.
 
I totally agree, Melina. I live in PA, and the designation Realtor is not required to be a member of the MLS. NAR has a code of ethics, and so does our MLS.
 
I believe you hit the nail on the head when you said that the Realtor designation would be meaningless if everyone needed it to subscribe to the local MLS.  Every licensee would be forced to do it just to stay in business. I do understand the point, however, that Realtors are held to higher standard and therefore assume more risk than non-Realtors. I think you are right when you say that Brokers should supervise their sales associates better and encourage their sales associates to earn the designation of Realtor. Unfortunately, Brokers tend to supervise things because they don't want the stain on their office's reputation of someone getting into trouble. Or they don't want a lawsuit if they are a private company especially. Unfortunately, though, if someone can possibly get away with an action because it's not strictly an offense, even though it may not be morally correct, the broker will stand by and watch the money flow in. I guess that's just human nature.
 
By the way, I just came back from a vist to Oregon where several of my family members live. People there are truly among the nicest I have ever met. The difference was really remarkable. And I was visiting an urban center, Portland. I'm not surprised that you don't have too many bad experiences with other agents out there.
 
For the most part, I have had transactions with really great agents in the last year or so. S in a sense maybe it is a non-issue here, too. But lately, maybe because of market fluctuations, I have witnessed some truly surprising things. I have watched agents "shop out" Agreements, with no intention of closing them, to bid up the price of property. Usually, this is done between 2 agents working together to keep the commission in house. (Didn't happen in my brokerage). I've watched agents accept Buyer Agency Contracts as a way to secure commission, even though they know outright that another agent was the procuring cause of the sale. I don't know how well agency contracts stand up when you are not really the procuring cause of sale. I have seen agents make private sales with people, off the MLS, and not disclose they are licensees, and then go write up contracts that expose the other party to all kinds of risk (although laypeople should know better and get a realtor involved). In other words, I see people less apt to put themselves in another's shoes and do the right thing. Although that's nothing new in the history of real estate or all of mankind, I'm seeing it in my little circle more and more.
 
On the other hand, I've seen agents go to the other extreme and try to be heroes, telling buyers to ask for things they never would have thought of, or telling sellers they are getting ripped off by low offers (which are now fair market value in reality). I sat at a settlement with a buyer's agent arguing about an air conditioner that was working in 103 degree weather, an air conditioner that had been certified as per the Reply to Inspections Report." The most outrageous aspect of this debate was that it was occurring after the checks were issued and the closer was gone!
 
I remember someone replying to this thread saying, "We need to put the toothpaste back in the tube." Amen!
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Melina Tomson Licensed Real Estate Broker,  OR

Date: January 24, 2008

By the way, I just came back from a vist to Oregon where several of my family members live. People there are truly among the nicest I have ever met. The difference was really remarkable. And I was visiting an urban center, Portland. I'm not surprised that you don't have too many bad experiences with other agents out there.

Glad you felt welcome here. I love Portland and plan to move back when we retire.  I love Oregon!

Melina Tomson, MS
Serving the Salem, OR Metro area
www.salemoregonhomes.blogspot.com
melina@tomsonburnham.com
www.TomsonBurnham.com
ph: 503-371-6515
fax: 503-588-1628

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Heinz Meng Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Landrum,  SC

Date: January 26, 2008

Hi Linda and All,

This is an important issue and should be clearly understood.  I am still in the dark about the whole thing, when I read articles alike this theme.

Our comission attorney states that one can only advertise the others brokers listing with written permission from that broker , regardless if both brokers participate in the IDX arrangement.

I cannot believe that.   How is a Buyer Agent able to promote his efforts. Does the seller not understand that such a limiting listing broker is actually hindering a quicker and perhaps faster sale of his property?

Has the comission come to a clear understandable rule about this issue? 

As far as the rules and regulations of domain names leading to an agents website...capitalisms foundation is based on these forces, how can we limit the creative process,  best ideas filtrate to a certain websites.... it 's basic.

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