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Jack Clark, Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Fort Lauderale,  FL

Date: December 3, 2007, Number of Replies: 31


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Kris Coutant Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Hudson Falls,  NY

Date: December 4, 2007

 

 

 

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Jack,

            As always real estate is local, and maybe in your area it is different. However in NY I can’t begin to discuss school districts. Once I say anything beyond known facts (ie it has football) I can get myself in trouble with the real estate police. My response is always the same. “I would love to discuss schools with you. However NYS says that I can’t. I don’t always agree with the rules, but I do have to play by them.” I then go on to tell them about the state and local web sites available, as well as that most schools have there own sites. And I always say that we are very fortunate in this area that unless your child has any special needs, whether a gifted child needing something more, or a challenged child needing to learn using different techniques, any of the schools are fine. Which is true. I just spoke with a woman the other night, not originally from the area, who asked me about the schools. We had the above conversation, and she told me that the other agent that she had spoken with had told her all about what schools are best etc. My answer was that she seemed like a nice lady, but this is my career and if I violate the rules I can lose my license and I wasn’t going there.

            Again your state may have different rules. The best suggestion would be to speak with your broker. He/She should certainly know how much is ok to say. Good luck to you.

 

Kris Coutant

Balfour Realty Inc

Serving Upstate NY – Warren, Washington

            and Saratoga Counties

kriscoutant@roadrunner.com

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Suzanne Ellis Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Louisville,  KY

Date: December 5, 2007

When asked about the schools by a buyer, I explain how the system is designed on which school their child(ren) might attend.  I also give them the website address for the district.   I recommend visiting the different school choices.  I also let them know that if they are buying a house because of a particular school, it is not guaranteed that their child will be able to get in.  Other than general information, I do not recommend one school over the other or discuss ratios or anything like that.

Suzanne N. Ellis
Semonin Realtors, Louisville, KY
Suzanne@SuzanneEllis.com
http://www.SuzanneEllis.com
(502) 327-2520
PS - I am never too busy for your referrals!

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Melina Tomson Licensed Real Estate Broker,  OR

Date: December 5, 2007

I give my clients the internet links for the local school district as well as the ODE (Oregon Department of Education) report cards.  This is usually all people want anyway. 

Unless you have children in all the local public schools, you really can't speak on a personal level about them. You just don't know.  People also have different standards for education and what they consider good.  Boundaries change, class sizes change, teachers leave or retire.  A new principal can dramatically change the culture of a school as well.

I will quote a source if someone asks about a school.  I will say, "according to the ODE this school got strong ratings for the past 3 years. Here is the website for more information."      That's about the extent of it for me.  I will also tell people if the school is on the unsafe list.  We have 5 here in Salem that are on the list.  Pretty much, I stick to documents and reports created by the state and schools, and I cite those.  I avoid generic things like "we have good schools here," and I always remind parents to double check the school boundaries with the school district prior to writing an offer.

 Melina Tomson, MS
ABR, e-PRO
melina@tomsonburnham.com
www.TomsonBurnham.com
ph: 503-371-6515
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Julie Ryan Licensed Real Estate Agent,  AL

Date: December 7, 2007

"As always real estate is local, and maybe in your area it is different. However in NY I can’t begin to discuss school districts. Once I say anything beyond known facts (ie it has football) I can get myself in trouble with the real estate police. My response is always the same. “I would love to discuss schools with you. However NYS says that I can’t. I don’t always agree with the rules, but I do have to play by them.” "

Ditto.  We aren't allowed to comment on schools. I direct them to the Board of Education as well as Greatschools.net and basically let them know that I can not be the judge of what a "good school" is and that they need to do the research and decide for themselves if there are certain schools that they prefer to be in or away from, if that is an issue for them.

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Tom Hathaway Licensed Real Estate Broker,  TN

Date: December 8, 2007

Someone wrote: 

Ditto.  We aren't allowed to comment on schools. I direct them to the Board of Education as well as Greatschools.net and basically let them know that I can not be the judge of what a "good school" is and that they need to do the research and decide for themselves if there are certain schools that they prefer to be in or away from, if that is an issue for them.>>

I wonder if this may be one of those urban myths.  Can anyone show us in writing (from NY or anywhere else) the actual regulation or law which specifically says a Real Estate Licensee who is representing a buyer can not tell that buyer client what they know, believe, or even their personal opinion, about a specific school?

Often such urban myths get started and become general belief because it might just be the personal opinion that is created by the opinion of one speaker, who tells another speaker who tells another and before you know it all those speakers are making statements as if there is some law against something, when in reality it might be common business sense not to make a certain statements or provide certain information, but it is not actually against in regulation or law.

Tom Hathaway

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Fred Pickard Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Palmyra,  PA

Date: December 9, 2007

Tom,
I think the issue is not so much law but risk reduction.
District boundaries can change yearly. Test scores can change annually.
In Pennsylvania, where school districts are much more localized, these changes don't occur often. When I lived in Florida, there were yearly changes. Just because a student went to a particular school last year, didn't mean they went to the same school the next year.
As a broker-owner, I don't want to be the source of incorrect information. I'd rather point a buyer to the sources available and let them make informed decisions based on the information they have gathered.
And think about it this way - If you were relocating to this area and I told you that a particular school system had great science programs, and then after enrolling you found out that they didn't, who would you hold responsible? And if it came to lawsuit time, would my defense of "that's what I believed" or even "that's my personal opinion" really do me a lot of good in court?
Fred Pickard Broker Owner
CRS, CRB, GRI, e-Pro Certified Trainer
Exit Realty Innovations
251 West Chocolate Avenue
Hershey PA  17033
mailto:Fred@MoveToHershey.com
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Someone wrote: 

Ditto.  We aren't allowed to comment on schools. I direct them to the Board of Education as well as Greatschools.net and basically let them know that I can not be the judge of what a "good school" is and that they need to do the research and decide for themselves if there are certain schools that they prefer to be in or away from, if that is an issue for them.>>

I wonder if this may be one of those urban myths.  Can anyone show us in writing (from NY or anywhere else) the actual regulation or law which specifically says a Real Estate Licensee who is representing a buyer can not tell that buyer client what they know, believe, or even their personal opinion, about a specific school?

Often such urban myths get started and become general belief because it might just be the personal opinion that is created by the opinion of one speaker, who tells another speaker who tells another and before you know it all those speakers are making statements as if there is some law against something, when in reality it might be common business sense not to make a certain statements or provide certain information, but it is not actually against in regulation or law.

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Tom Hathaway Licensed Real Estate Broker,  TN

Date: December 9, 2007

Tom,
I think the issue is not so much law but risk reduction.
District boundaries can change yearly. Test scores can change annually.  Fred
Fred, I agree with you.  It just bothers me when people say something is against the law, when in reality in most (but not all) cases it is usually only a custom that everyone follows, or it is against their broker's office policy.   There are very few laws on the books that say people can not freely give their opinions to others.
What this does, by telling people something is against the law, takes away the other person's perceived right to do things they feel comfortable doing.  If you or I feel the risk/rewards justify talking to someone about a particular school or whatever, then so be it. 
Tom Hathaway
The Buyer's Agent, Home Buyer's Choice
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Ronny Geenen Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Glendora,  CA

Date: December 9, 2007

Fred Pickard wrote:
And think about it this way - If you were relocating to this area and I told you that a particular school system had great science programs, and then after enrolling you found out that they didn't, who would you hold responsible? And if it came to lawsuit time, would my defense of "that's what I believed" or even "that's my personal opinion" really do me a lot of good in court?
 
Is it coming that far, that somebody might file a lawsuit as you mentioned here above? Is this the land of the free or the land of the lawyers and lawsuits?
 

RG

Glendora, CA 91741

Ronny@RonnyGeenen.com

Http://CaFoothillsRealEstate.com

 

 

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Judy Davis Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Dayton,  OH

Date: December 9, 2007

I wonder if this may be one of those urban myths.  Can anyone show us in writing (from NY or anywhere else) the actual regulation or law which specifically says a Real Estate Licensee who is representing a buyer can not tell that buyer client what they know, believe, or even their personal opinion, about a specific school?

Often such urban myths get started and become general belief because it might just be the personal opinion that is created by the opinion of one speaker, who tells another speaker who tells another and before you know it all those speakers are making statements as if there is some law against something, when in reality it might be common business sense not to make a certain statements or provide certain information, but it is not actually against in regulation or law.

 

 

It's called fair housing. Good schools can be code for the racial make up of a school system. When ever the buyer has questions about schools, racial make up of an area or crime stats I always reefer them to the source for that information. In Ohio we have school report cards from the state department of education that I can  provide when asked as well as a link to the ODE web site. By the way the south suburb district that is the most diverse rates excellent on the state report card and was one of Newsweek's Silver level school systems. The wrong answer to a tester can cost you your license and a fine. Tom brush up on your Fair Housing, Civil Rights and Core Law. In Ohio we are required to do so every three years.

 

 

 

 

Judy Davis, Realtor®

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