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 Real Estate visa Commercial

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Ronny Geenen, Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Glendora,  CA

Date: June 30, 2007, Number of Replies: 4


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Why is it that we Realtors are the subject of attacks by banks and private companies?

We have a National organization called NAR.

In California we have also a CAR.

We Realtors are required to have a license and we follow that with other certificates.

 

Why is it that the commercial sector does not have that kind of problems?

Their sales people are not required to have a real estate license.

They do not have a nationwide organization that requires being a membership.

 

Do they have a higher education than Realtors? What are they doing better than we Realtors?

Are they more professional and more respected?

I like to hear your comments.

 

I have more then 20 years real Estate experience and the last 3 years I am moving and doing more in the direction of the commercial sector.

 

Ronny Geenen
Southland Properties
211 N Glendora Ave
Glendora, CA 91741
Http://CaFoothillsRealEstate.com
Mailto:Ronny@RonnyGeenen.com
Cell: 626-278-2205
 
"The degree of civil liberty is not measured by the way the state treats millions of those who agree with it, but rather how it treats a dozen who don't". by Ludvík Vaculík

 

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freds@sempre.com

Date: July 1, 2007

 
>>Ronny Geenen wrote in part:
>>Why is it that the commercial sector does not have that kind of problems?
Their sales people are not required to have a real estate license.<<

To which commercial activities are you referring? California Business and Professions Code Sections 10130 & 10131 (there are other applicable sections, as well) define real estate license requirements and, as far as I can tell, makes no distinction between residential and commercial activities. We required real estate licensees for our commercial division.

Fred
fsalzer@sempre.com
Poway, CA

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Ronny Geenen Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Glendora,  CA

Date: July 1, 2007

 
Fred wrote
We required real estate licensees for our commercial division.
 
I am glad you requires that, but our office had some experience with commercial agents working for well known company. They are not Realtors and members of NAR and CAR. They even require to use their own commercial forms.
Our broker had checked this out and they work without a Real estate License.
 
Ronny Geenen
Southland Properties
211 N Glendora Ave
Glendora, CA 91741
Http://CaFoothillsRealEstate.com
Mailto:Ronny@RonnyGeenen.com
Cell: 626-278-2205
 
"The degree of civil liberty is not measured by the way the state treats millions of those who agree with it, but rather how it treats a dozen who don't". by Ludvík Vaculík
 
If you received this email in error, please contact the sender via e-mail or at 626-914-6999 and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Thank you.
 
 

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Paul Silver,  Portsmouth,  RI

Date: July 2, 2007

Fred wrote
We required real estate licensees for our commercial division.

I am glad you requires that, but our office had some experience with
commercial agents working for well known company. They are not Realtors and
members of NAR and CAR. They even require to use their own commercial forms.
Our broker had checked this out and they work without a Real estate License.

Ronny Geenen

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Ronny: I believe Fred is talking about a governmentally issued license,
while you are talking about membership in NAR... One is required in most
States to practice real estate, the other is not required in any State that
I know of...

I don't know the laws in all states, but in the ones I do know, all
practitioners are required to be licensed. In no state I know of is
membership in NAR REQUIRED...

Because the local boards are constituent parts of NAR, membership there is
not REQUIRED by law, by extension.

And the COE is not law... It is a membership agreement and code that members
of NAR are supposed to follow. No one goes to jail for breaking the code of
ethics, and no one loses their license for it... Unless the particular
aspect of the code being broken is also a law in that state.

We should keep these distinctions clear.

Of course, there are benefits, such as MLS, for members that are worth the
fees... Provided the fees remain reasonable.

Paul Silver, Esq.
Focus Real Estate Group, Inc.

Editor's Note
And in California, one need not be a REALTOR to be a member (subscriber) of the MLS...and as Paul and said, licensing is required to handle commercial or residential sales.Saul 
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Ronny Geenen Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Glendora,  CA

Date: July 2, 2007

 
Fred wrote:
To which commercial activities are you referring? California Business and Professions Code Sections 10130 & 10131 (there are other applicable sections, as well) define real estate license requirements and, as far as I can tell, makes no distinction between residential and commercial activities. We required real estate licensees for our commercial division.

Just check the DRE website for agents and offices out of the commercial sector.
Check some name you know and see if that person is a license Realtor. Check if that office is on the DRE list. My broker shows me on his computer a high producing guy in San Bernardino County, who has a team working for him and none of them have a Real Estate license.
My broker does also commercial sales and listings and the first question he ask the other agent he is dealing with: Are you a license Realtor. And when the person answers "yes". He checked the DRE web. And often they are not. The reason is our contract forms and requirements are different than what they use and he explain the other agent why we have to use our Winforms.
There are many commercial offices of some big names, but on the DRE list you find only a couple in California.
 
Ronny Geenen
Southland Properties
211 N Glendora Ave
Glendora, CA 91741
Http://CaFoothillsRealEstate.com
Mailto:Ronny@RonnyGeenen.com
Cell: 626-278-2205
 
"The degree of civil liberty is not measured by the way the state treats millions of those who agree with it, but rather how it treats a dozen who don't". by Ludvík Vaculík
 
If you received this email in error, please contact the sender via e-mail or at 626-914-6999 and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Thank you.
 
 
 
 
Editor's Note
REALTOR is not a license type. It designates membership in the National Association of REALTORS and by virtue of the Three Way Agreement, membership in your state and local association as well.To sell real estate in California, any type of real estate (residential, commercial, industrial, etc), one must be licensed by the State of California as a broker or a salesperson. One need not be a REALTOR.Over the years, organized real estate has worked to get commercial brokers to become REALTORS. In some parts of the country this has been more successful than others. Commercial brokers often feel they get no benefit by being a REALTOR. Some feel that because so many REALTORS are residential sales people, they do not want to be associated because they believe they are different.I happen to believe that those who truly believe in real estate and what the ownership of real estate means to our country, and the role the right of individuals to own real estate  has done to help make our country great, should be members of NAR, and pay for the legislative benefits that are then enjoyed by property owners. I do not sell other people's real estate any longer. I continue to be a REALTOR because I believe in the preamble to the the Code of Ethics...under all is the land (I will poiost a few of the really choice philosophiesfrom the COE in a future post). I believe that NAR, CAR, and my local association (SDAR) look out for my interests as a property owner and the dues I pay are small compared to the benefits I receive. In North Carolina, the State is trying to impose a sales tax  on real estate. Who is fighting for property owners, NCAR, the local associations, and the REALTORS of North Carolina. All property owners benefit from the hard work and the funding of our organizations and members. I believe that no organization fights for the rights of property owners like our real estate associations and that it is time to create a membership category for homeowners.Saul 
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