I most vehemently disagree. Unless a judgment is GUILTY, under no circumstances should 'reported violations' be published. That would be like nailing the lid on the 'guilty' coffin for an agent that is NOT GUILTY. It happens ALL the time - agents report violations that ARE NOT VIOLATIONS, but think they are because they only read the 'overall' rule, not the requirements of the rule. Rule 16 is a case in point. Agents OFTEN miss section 16.2.
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There are explicit rules by NAR regarding publication of COE violators!
Basically, it is a LOCAL Board option, permitting such notices to appear in their local Board publication ONLY, with names & articles violated for the 2nd violation within 3 years.
I asked Bruce Aydt, past NAR PS chair, longtime Pro Stds educator, REALTOR® & att'y, this very question this afternoon at a Pro Stds Workshop.
At 06:26 PM 3/28/2007,Christina E wrote:
Basically, it is a LOCAL Board option, permitting such notices to appear in their local Board publication ONLY, with names & articles violated for the 2nd violation within 3 years.
I asked Bruce Aydt, past NAR PS chair, longtime Pro Stds educator, REALTOR® & att'y, this very question this afternoon at a Pro Stds Workshop.
At 06:26 PM 3/28/2007,Christina E wrote:
I most vehemently disagree. Unless a judgment is GUILTY, under no circumstances should 'reported violations' be published. That would be like nailing the lid on the 'guilty' coffin for an agent that is NOT GUILTY. It happens ALL the time - agents report violations that ARE NOT VIOLATIONS, but think they are because they only read the 'overall' rule, not the requirements of the rule. Rule 16 is a case in point. Agents OFTEN miss section 16.2.
Terry Crook, CBR, CRS, GRI, JIM 22, WW 22 , BB 22, GORT ('96), CFC, RTPFSE, OTD
The Crook in Real Estate! Mailto:tcrook@realtor.com
Coldwell Banker Realty Center, Chapel Hill, NC 27516 NC Lic#178364
http://www.ChapelHillHomes.net or http://www.TerryCrook.com
Michelle Oliver said:
We have to remember that the sale and/or purchase of a home is packed with emotions and sometimes we are the ones those emotions are targeted at.
Michelle hit the nail on the head with the remarks about emotions. Buying or selling a house is a huge emotional event for most families. It’s also a huge financial event! When you put those two together and when things don’t go exactly as anticipated, often people look for someone to blame. I now believe it’s the nature of this business that some of the time we’re going to be the ones they blame.
That doesn’t mean we don’t deserve some of the bad reputation we have. There are plenty of rogues and incompetents out there making us all look bad! And we do have a responsibility to better police that. But if every one of us was a saint and wonderfully skilled at what we do, I’m not sure our reputation as a profession would be wonderful.
I think some of this comes along with the business, the emotions and the high financial stakes. Let’s face it, an awful lot of people like to place blame on someone. Sometimes no one is at fault, circumstances just weren’t kind. Sometimes people’s own poor decisions are at fault and it’s easier to blame an agent. And sometimes we bear the brunt of mistakes made by our partners in this business, lenders, title companies, etc. They can help make us look good or they can make us look really bad.
I don’t think there’s one easy solution to this one!
Julie Emery, Associate Broker
REALTOR, e-PRO, GRI, SRES
ReMax Regency, Licensed in VA
800-851-1563 (office), 540-270-2742 (cell)
http://www.JulieEmery.com
For Kris and all others that replied to this one I applaud you Kris first for remaining a professional even after hearing those "horror stories". It continually amazes me after 4 years in the business how many NON professionals are still functioning in our business. I agree they do need to be reported - your potential customer's problem however was trying to report to the Board, he needs to go to the Real Estate Commission, every state has one as far as I know. Those that need to be reported should be and those of us who choose to take the "right" road and continue to demonstrate our professionalism everyday will be the winners everytime. Because although, those "bad seeds" have remained it won't be for long as they will be "found out" enough times and I would like to believe good does prevail in the end. Any broker or manager that says "don't say anything is almost as bad as the unprofessional agent!! As someone stated most of us know in our own backyards who the "bad" ones are and don't hesitate to let others know - that will also help in the long run. What really grates me are the ones who do so little for their customers but the customer remains unaware. We are in a flat market right now in our area and it blows my mind how many listings have no photos(even after weeks on the market or never),very little information, etc. I love the ones that in remarks really talk up the amenities but never show a single photo of them. Yet most customers especially if they don't get online - don't have a clue how little is being done to promote their properties!!! I've lost count of how many of my listers are amazed at how much they hear from me even after I've gotten the listing. So many say they got my listing and I never heard or saw them again until it was time to renew - there is alot that goes into being a professional for sure! As a side note to Kris - I think you have a great opportunity for "Farming" in that area that two people couldn't get any satisfaction from other agents in!! Sounds like you may have just found a new market!! Good Luck and let's not let those who don't have the first clue about professionalism ruin it for those of us who do!!
Kelli Geddeis
Coldwell Banker Sunstar, Port Charlotte, FL
Of course you will need to show the prospective client what your abilities are and what you will do for them. We are talking about a lot of money here, at least I think it is a lot of money.
When a prospective client says they want to interview me I always respond: "Good, and I want to interview you to see if we can work together successfully". Don't let them think they are doing you a favor, you know your business and need to convey that attitude.
Margery Stern
Custom Service Realty/Serving Northern Virginia
Kris, you write beautifully, but Ic ant get through this missive without PARAGRAPHS! please. Just hit the enter key once in a while :)
Thanks,
DianeWolta, Denver
Prudential Colorado Real Estate
REALTORR, e-Pro, Abr
Prudential Colorado Real Estate
The problem is that our industry, being as it is, fights for and maintains
the lowest possible bar of professionalism. In the view of our trade
association, the more licensees and the more members out there, the better.
So the vast majority can't make a living in the business, and must do it
part time. Lets face it, when the average number of closings is right at 4
a year, what can we expect.
Tom Hathaway
Tom,
It depends on which four you closed.
Dave Johnston GRI, e-PRO, CRB, ABR, CPC
"The Old House Man"R
Principal Broker
oldhouseman@verizon.net
(804) 343-7123
www.AntiqueProperties.com
the lowest possible bar of professionalism. In the view of our trade
association, the more licensees and the more members out there, the better.
So the vast majority can't make a living in the business, and must do it
part time. Lets face it, when the average number of closings is right at 4
a year, what can we expect.
Tom Hathaway
Tom,
It depends on which four you closed.
Dave Johnston GRI, e-PRO, CRB, ABR, CPC
"The Old House Man"R
Principal Broker
oldhouseman@verizon.net
(804) 343-7123
www.AntiqueProperties.com
Right On Margery!!!! I always respond that way.
Dee Miller
deeandtom.com
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RE/MAX REAL ESTATE CENTRE
1121 Shirken Drive, PO Box 189
Iowa City, Ia 52244
Licensed to sell Real Estate in
Iowa
(319)631-1979
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Subject: RE: Public Opinion of Realtors Author: margery@margerystern.com Date: March 30th, 2007, 7:44 AM PST ID: 002768 Of course you will need to show the prospective client what your abilities are and what you will do for them. We are talking about a lot of money here, at least I think it is a lot of money.
When a prospective client says they want to interview me I always respond: "Good, and I want to interview you to see if we can work together successfully". Don't let them think they are doing you a favor, you know your business and need to convey that attitude.
Margery Stern
Custom Service Realty/Serving Northern Virginia
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