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Date: February 11, 2007

Here's another twist for you Neal.  You delayed one or two days in getting an definitive answer from buyer #1 (whether or not he wants the listing).  Meanwhile, the house sells before you can show the listing to your buyer #2.  Or, say at the end of the first or second day buyer #1 decides he does want the house.  However, while you were being "courteous" to buyer #1, buyer #2 was waiting patiently to see the house with you, so he loses the perfect house to buyer #1 (or some other agent's buyer).

Would buyer #2 have a valid COE Article 1 complaint against you?

LyndaK in INdy

" I'm never too busy for your business "
Lynda King,
REALTOR-Broker, ABR, ASP, CRS
RE/MAX at the Crossing, Indianapolis, IN
Lynda@SellingIndy.com
www.SellingIndy.com or  www.IndyHomesOnline.com
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Date: February 12, 2007

At 03:34 AM 2/12/2007, you wrote:
>Laurie's EBA disclosure and the disclosure that I give during my
>initial buyer's consultation, that we may be showing the same
>properties to other buyers, put the buyers on notice upfront. No
>need for "permission".
>
>LyndaK in INdy

I agree. We have had a first to write first to serve policy for 15
years with all of our buyers. They are made aware of the fact that
we will show all of our buyer all appropriate homes as soon as they
let us know they want to see them.

tOMe

Thomas A. Early, Master CEBA
425 W. Schrock Rd.
Westerville Ohio 43081
Serving the Greater Columbus Ohio area
TomEarly@BuyersBrokerage.com
http://BuyersBrokerage.com
100% Buyer Representation 100% of the Time
Past President of the National Association of
Exclusive Buyer Agents (NAEBA) http://NAEBA.org
NAEBA: 1-800-786-1570
Buyers Brokerage 1-614-890-2722

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Date: February 12, 2007

At 03:46 AM 2/12/2007, you wrote:
>Most company policies (including our own) require managagment to be
>present when a multiple offer situation comes into play when the
>listing agent has their own buyer. This mitigates the chance for a
>lawsuit. Though I do feel two buyers from the same agent, office, or
>company requires full disclosure. I do not feel it requires consent
>as in a dual agent situation, requiring disclosure and consent.

I always find statements like this amusing. The manager (Broker) is
the agent of the buyer in both cases. You are the agent of your
brokerage, not the buyer. Any time you have an in house listing
being purchased by an in house buyer it is DUAL AGENCY for the
manager (Broker) and you can mitigate until the cows come home and it
will not change.

Where is it that licensee's feel they are the agents of the
consumer? Find me a listing agreement or a so called EBA agreement
which does not make the Brokerage the Agent of the consumer.

By the way. An EBA agreement is an Exclusive Buyer AGENCY
agreement. You had best make sure your BROKERAGE is agreeing to
represent the buyer Exclusivly. These agreement should be called
Exclusive Representation Agreement not EBA agreements. Only an EBA,
Exclustive Buyer AGENCY should be using EBA agreements because only
EBA Brokerages agree to provide Exclusive AGENCY to the buyer.

tOMe

Thomas A. Early, Master CEBA
425 W. Schrock Rd.
Westerville Ohio 43081
Serving the Greater Columbus Ohio area
TomEarly@BuyersBrokerage.com
http://BuyersBrokerage.com
100% Buyer Representation 100% of the Time
Past President of the National Association of
Exclusive Buyer Agents (NAEBA) http://NAEBA.org
NAEBA: 1-800-786-1570
Buyers Brokerage 1-614-890-2722

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gbcosta@yahoo.com

Date: February 12, 2007

 
tell buyers in my intial interview that at any time I
may show other buyers the same properties they may be
looking at or other agents could be showing the same
properties to their buyers so if they see something
they want it may not be there long. Everything is out
on the table from the beginning.

________________________________________________
Our Buyer's Agreement specifies that we have the right
to show to other buyers any properties they have
originally look at and it does not void our
representation to that buyer. If buyer #1 comes back
and also makes an offer, I give them th choice of
using another agent to write their offer.

Glory Bee Costa ABR, CRS, GRI, E-PRO, SRES
410-745-3241-Home Office
410-310-9081-Cell
http://www.Maryland-WaterFront-Homes.com
E-Mail-Glory@GloryBeeCosta.com
Maryland Counties (Eastern Shore)
Talbot, Queen Anne, Caroline & Dorchester
Prudential Premier Properties - Easton, MD - Associate Broker

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Neal Adler, gri,abr, e-Pro Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Studio City,  CA

Date: February 12, 2007

Quite frankly some of these scenarios are now splitting hairs. No matter what happens I'll have another agent represent one of my buyers if both are interested. Let me say one thing I don't wait around for anyone or anything. Some of these questions make it look like I"m sitting around waiting for the grass to grow under my feet. I can say with the utmost certainty I do not. Some people here seem to be missing the point. I inform all of my buyers who I show the same property to as a matter of courtesy and let them know there are other people that may be interested. As far as violating the code of ethics, having adjudicated over 300 ethics cases in my service to three professional standards committees I am well aware of what the COE does and does not require. The bottom line is anyone that if I show a particular property to more than one buyer that are interested and both want to present offers they will be represented one way or another and have their offer(s) presented period.
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Paula Bean Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Orlando,  FL

Date: February 12, 2007

>>>tOMe posts: You are the agent of your brokerage, not the buyer. Any time you have an in house listing being purchased by an in house buyer it is DUAL AGENCY for the manager (Broker) and you can mitigate until the cows come home and it will not change.
 
As a trainer of agents, I find it odd that most of them do not understand this.  You work with the client, but your Broker is whom they have the relationship with and controls all.  They cover this in real estate school to become licensed.  Perhaps after working a number of years they forget?  I know it's hard to think about the people you work with and the relationship you build, being not your own, but we need to all remember the one who is ultimately in control, and also has the most legal at stake is the one who calls themselves the "Broker". 
 
Perhaps a meeting every so often on this subject is in order, just so they remember.  Now, having said that - I have been in the situation of making an offer on a house, but having NO CLUE that another agent at my same office was doing the ery same thing.  I also don't think that having the Broker or manager step in and make sure all is fair in love and war is the answer either, but if I were the BROKER, and knew this was happening, you'd bet I'd want to monitor it closely and cya. 
 
 
Paula Bean  REALTOR®,
e-PRO CERTIFIED INTERNET EXPERT
ACRE™ ACCREDITED CONSULTANT IN REAL ESTATE   
_____________________________________________
Carib-Gulf Realty 
Office   407-447-9080  |  Cell   321-228-HOME (4663)
www.Carib-Gulf.com      
 

 

 
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Terry Crook Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Chapel Hill

Date: February 12, 2007

In NC, we have Exclusive Buyer Representation Agreements for our Buyer clients. That means we are the exclusive agent for that Buyer, for a specified time period (one day to many months) & for a specified territory (counties, cities, towns, s/ds, specific properties, etc.). Buyer is obligated to be sure we get paid the BA share (or an agreed fee) upon closing on any property they buy within the coverage period & territory.
It does NOT mean we, as their BA, are not representing other clients (Sellers or Buyers) at the same time.

If we represent a Buyer on an inhouse listing, we must execute a NC Dual Agency Addendum which is agreed upon & signed by BOTH parties to the transaction. Otherwise, the Buyer (usually) is referred out to another brokerage for that particular transaction (rarely necessary IF the agents involved practice care & diligence in their agency duties & the clients trust them to behave ethically & honestly while maintaining appropriate confidentiality). O:-)
I suspect some States would call this Limited Representation for both parties.
Real Estate is local. YMMV!  :-)

At 05:43 PM 2/12/2007, Tom E wrote:
<snip>
By the way. An EBA agreement is an Exclusive Buyer AGENCY
agreement. You had best make sure your BROKERAGE is agreeing to
represent the buyer Exclusivly. These agreement should be called
Exclusive Representation Agreement not EBA agreements. Only an EBA,
Exclustive Buyer AGENCY, should be using EBA agreements because only
EBA Brokerages agree to provide Exclusive AGENCY to the buyer.

Terry Crook, CBR, CRS, GRI, JIM 22, WW 22 , BB 22, GORT ('96), CFC, RTPFSE, OTD
The Crook in Real Estate!  Mailto:tcrook@realtor.com
Coldwell Banker Realty Center, Chapel Hill, NC 27516   NC Lic#178364
http://www.ChapelHillHomes.net or  http://www.TerryCrook.com

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Neal Adler, gri,abr, e-Pro Licensed Real Estate Agent,  Studio City,  CA

Date: February 12, 2007

I find some of the responses to my post most amusing. One giving the impression I don't make things happen for my buyers "now" quite frankly I find this insulting and demeaing when my original post was that if I have more than one buyer for the same property and just "waiting for things to happen". I can assure everyone here I don't need anyone to tell me how to handle my buyers as I have put hundreds of buyers into homes and negotiated nearly $500,000 in closing cost credits and or repairs for my buyer clients and never have had a dissatisfied buyer. Some here are taking this way out of proportion. Again, my objective is to service all of my buyers and show them all properties based on their qualifications and requirements. My objective to avoid any conflict when two buyers are interested in the same property that's it period. If the situation were to arise if and when more than one of my buyers is interested in the same property they will be represented. I don't need anyone here or anywhere else questioning my ABR status or my integrity with regards to buyer representation.
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Date: February 13, 2007

At 05:55 PM 2/12/2007, you wrote:
>Our Buyer's Agreement specifies that we have the right
>to show to other buyers any properties they have
>originally look at and it does not void our
>representation to that buyer. If buyer #1 comes back
>and also makes an offer, I give them th choice of
>using another agent to write their offer.
>
>Glory Bee Costa

Would that be another agent in the same brokerage? Does this buyer
know that he is now dealing with Dual Agency?

tOMe

Thomas A. Early, Master CEBA
425 W. Schrock Rd.
Westerville Ohio 43081
Serving the Greater Columbus Ohio area
TomEarly@BuyersBrokerage.com
http://BuyersBrokerage.com
100% Buyer Representation 100% of the Time
Past President of the National Association of
Exclusive Buyer Agents (NAEBA) http://NAEBA.org
NAEBA: 1-800-786-1570
Buyers Brokerage 1-614-890-2722

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Eileen Landau, Licensed Real Estate Broker,  Naperville-Downers Grove,  IL

Date: February 13, 2007

"Any time you have an in house listing
being purchased by an in house buyer it is DUAL AGENCY
for the
manager (Broker) ..."

Not quite. In Illinois we are a designated agent
state...I am designated as the agent of the buyer and
it is NOT dual agency if Terri from my office is the
designated agent of the seller.

Yes...we both work "under" the same broker...but
Illinois law does NOT agree with your assertion.

I am a DUAL agent ONLY if I list and sell my listing
to my buyer clients. That's it.

I seem to remember an old saying: Real Estate is Local.

Cordially,

Eileen Landau, ABR, CRS, E-Pro
Over 800 Homes Sold!
Realty Executives, Realtors
Naperville Il 60540
www.MoveUptoNaperville.com
www.EileenLandau.com
630-961-2600 & 630-961-2700

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