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June 2008
Jun. 30, 2008 - Manhattan loft inventory as of June 29
Number of Manhattan lofts offered for sale as of Sunday night:
| price range |
# of lofts |
| $500k to $999k |
102 |
| $1mm to $1.99mm |
242 |
| $2mm to $2.99mm |
170 |
| $3mm to $3.99mm |
91 |
| $4mm to $4.99mm |
43 |
| $5mm to $10mm |
79 |
| TOTAL |
737 |
This total is (still) essentially unchanged since my first count on May 19, which was 745. See that May 19 post for what I am counting, and why it is difficult.
© Sandy Mattingly 2008
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Jun. 29, 2008 - new Manhattan loft listings + closed sales in last 7 days
This is my thirty-fifth report on the number, price distribution and neighborhood distribution for Manhattan lofts reported as new to the market or as closed sales in the last 7 days.
The stats as of Sunday night show a(nother) slow(ish) week (hmmm) ...
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there were only 19 lofts reported as new to the market in the last 7 days and 25 as sold
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10 of the 19 new ones are offered between $1mm and $3mm, while 17 of the 25 closed sales were between $1mm and $3mm (and none above $3.6mm)
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3 of the 19 new loft listings are in new development, and only 2 of the 25 closed sales were in new development
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By price
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New = 19
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Sold = 25
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$500k to $999k
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3 |
5 |
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$1mm to $1.99mm
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5 |
10 |
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$2mm to $2.99mm
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5 |
7 |
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$3mm to $3.99mm
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2 |
3 |
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$4mm to $4.99mm
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1 |
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$5mm+
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3 |
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By neighborhood
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New = 19
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Sold = 25
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Battery Park City
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Chelsea
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2 |
1 |
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Clinton
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1 |
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East Village
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1 |
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Financial District
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8 |
1 |
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Flatiron
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2 |
5 |
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Gramercy
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1 |
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Greenwich Village
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3 |
3 |
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Kips Bay
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Little Italy
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Lower East Side
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1 |
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Murray Hill
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Midtown West
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SoHo
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1 |
3 |
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Tribeca
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4 |
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Turtle Bay
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2 |
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Upper East Side
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1 |
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Upper West Side
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1 |
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West Village
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2 |
1 |
New loft listings in new developments
| 421 West 54 Street (The Hit Factory) |
1 |
| 45 John Street |
1 |
| 25 Broad Street (The Exchange) |
1 |
Sold lofts in new developments
| 20 Pine Street |
1 |
| 415 Greenwich Street (Tribeca Summit) |
1 |
For information about how I get this stuff and why I slice it as I do, see methodology for New + Sold in The Last Seven Days.
© Sandy Mattingly 2008
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Jun. 26, 2008 - head-scratching over $650/ft and outdoor space
opportunity? we got opportunity
For the first time in months, I am going to comment on another firm's Manhattan loft listing today -- without identifying it in deference to my resolution in end of an era for Manhattan Loft Guy / a new day dawns? from April 9 -- because it seems to me to be a great opportunity for a loft buyer at about $650/ft. The loft is in a building that has always represented value to me; it is duplexed but with a real 2 bedroom 2 bath layout; it has outdoor space that looks pretty usable ("free" under the $650/ft pricing of interior space); and the price has come down about 25% from its original asking price.
issues? we got issues
Of course there are some deficits, which is why The Market has let it hang. Some people just don't like duplexes. Some folks don't like the block this building is on. This unit has a rather large monthly expense ratio (roughly $2.00/ft). Can't tell if it in need of a remodel or upgrading, but it could be 'move-in'.
Whatever ... I have always liked the building. (This is not a fringe neighborhood, I promise.) You simply will not find many (any?) Manhattan lofts at this price-per-foot point, let alone with "free" outdoor space.
© Sandy Mattingly 2008
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Jun. 25, 2008 - 23 days to nearly done (now done) at 19-21 Warren Street
brisk results
The Manhattan loft #2E at 19-21 Warren Street came to market at the end of February and had a signed contract 23 days later. It shows as Sold & Closed as of this morning (no clearing price available yet).
The 5 story loft was converted to condo in 1999 into the common 2 Long-and-Narrow units per floor, one east, one west. That was the time when Virtual Doorman seemed to gain some traction (didn't last, I don't think), so this one has that (potentially cool) feature. It is somewhat modestly named the Tribeca East (on the block that ends at City Hall Park), though it could just as easily be "Tribeca South".
not much bragging...
This one is said to be "1,602 sq ft", in "excellent" (presumably, original 1999) condition. Chef's kitchen, 12 foot ceilings, French doors, ceilings fans are pretty much the sole bragged-about points. The classic Long-and-Narrow layout has 3 windows in front, 4 in back, both bedrooms in back, with the plumbing running up the side that adjoins the west unit (of "1,619 sq ft") and common hallway. They were asking $1.85mm and $1,529/mo, and probably got it (or close).
There's a small "terrace" (balcony?) across the bedrooms, but that may not be such a plus on the second floor with the back of 9 Murray Street not very far away. (Check the bedroom photos.)
... but much appreciated
This seller paid $1.15mm in March 2004, a surprisingly large discount (to me) off the then-ask of $1.295mm. The only more recent sale in the building I see with a clearing price was #2W, which transferred only a year later (and only "17 sq ft" larger) for $1.515mm. (Which one is the anomaly??)
© Sandy Mattingly 2008
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Jun. 24, 2008 - closing in the Textile Building 66 Leonard Street
"gimme a 4!" ... OK, then please give me a 3 (pretty please)
#10C at 66 Leonard Street was offered for sale in January 2007 at $4.295mm. Our listing history shows a contract signed in February last year but that must have fizzled (no deed was filed) and it was noted as Permanently Off the Market in October. The same agent brought it back to market this past January at that same price, then within six weeks of the March 28 price drop to $3.995mm they had a signed contract, with a closing noted as of last week.
No clearing price available yet, but it looks as though the change from a price starting with a $4... to a price starting with a $3... did the trick. Funny how simple it can be (in retrospect). Well, not so funny, in fact.
psychology
We'll know more when the trading price is public, but at every Major Round Number there are buyers who will not cross a threshold. In this case, that appears to be what happened with this Manhattan loft and the $4mm threshold. That's not to say that $300k is chicken feed, but 7% is hardly a huge discount. Depending (of course) on how close to $3.995mmthey actually got, this may simply be a case where a buyer would not even consider a "4" but went for the top of the "3"s. After all,the place had been on the market a long time in both 2007 and 2008 without a deal off of $4.295mm but got one within six weeks of the 7% solution.
lovely loft, BTW, with hefty monthlies
The space is said to be "2,914 sq ft", set up as 3 BRs + 3.5 baths, with 3 exposures. The common charges of $2,209/mo support a health club with steam room, a residents lounge and roof deck, and not only a doorman but a resident manager -- a lot of overhead for a 44 unit building.The taxes of $2,518/mo support ... the city. (The turn of the [last] century building was converted to condo in 1999, obviously without a tax abatement.)
your friend, and mine
Follow along with sales in this building through StreetEasy, here.
© Sandy Mattingly 2008
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Jun. 23, 2008 - Manhattan loft inventory as of June 22
Number of Manhattan lofts offered for sale as of Sunday night:
price range
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# of lofts
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$500k to $999k
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98
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$1mm to $1.99mm
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251
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$2mm to $2.99mm
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171
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$3mm to $3.99mm
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91
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$4mm to $4.99mm
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45
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$5mm to $10mm
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83
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TOTAL
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749
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This total is (still) essentially unchanged since my first count on May 19, which was 745. See that May 19 post for what I am counting, and why it is difficult.
© Sandy Mattingly 2008
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Jun. 22, 2008 - new Manhattan loft listings + closed sales in last 7 days
This is my thirty-fourth report on the number, price distribution and neighborhood distribution for Manhattan lofts reported as new to the market or as closed sales in the last 7 days.
The stats as of Sunday night show a slow week ...
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there were only 17 lofts reported as new to the market in the last 7 days and only 11 as sold
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11 of the 17 new ones are offered between $1mm and $3mm, while 5 of the 11 closed sales were between $2mm and $3mm
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5 of the 17 new loft listings are in new development, 2 of the 11 closed sales were in new development
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By price
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New = 17
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Sold = 11
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$500k to $999k
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1
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$1mm to $1.99mm
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8
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1
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$2mm to $2.99mm
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3
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5
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$3mm to $3.99mm
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2
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1
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$4mm to $4.99mm
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2
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$5mm+
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4
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1
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By neighborhood
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New = 17
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Sold = 11
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Battery Park City
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Chelsea
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4
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2
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Clinton
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East Village
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1
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Financial District
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1
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1
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Flatiron
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2
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1
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Gramercy
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Greenwich Village
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3
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1
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Kips Bay
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Little Italy
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Lower East Side
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Murray Hill
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Midtown West
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1
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SoHo
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Tribeca
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3
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4
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Turtle Bay
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Upper East Side
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Upper West Side
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West Village
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3
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1 |
New loft listings in new developments
420 West 25 Street (Loft 25)
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2
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34 Leonard Street
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1
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122 Greenwich Street (Jackson Square)
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2
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Sold lofts in new developments
90 William Street (be@William)
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1
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1 York Street
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1
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For information about how I get this stuff and why I slice it as I do, see methodology for New + Sold in The Last Seven Days.
© Sandy Mattingly 2008
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Jun. 20, 2008 - 11 West 20 Street #2 closes / did they get THAT??
Today's new inter-firm list of Sold & Closed includes the Manhattan loft on the 2d floor at 11 West 20 Street, which is interesting (to me, at least) for a few reasons: (a) it can be either commercial or (when "re-zoned as of right") residential, (b) it seems to be an extremely minimal 'white box', (c) it took only 9 weeks to get a contract from the first offering in mid-March, and (d) the (successful) asking price of $2.5mm is $350k higher than two 2007 sales of fully finished units. Did they really get (close to) $2.5mm?? (No closing price yet that I can find.)
very flexible white box, indeed
The building history is accessible through StreetEasy, of course, here, where you can peak at the now-gone Halstead listing for the 2d floor. Talk about a flexible space ... while there are only the traditional front-and-back windows, there are no interior columns in this roughly 27 x 88 foot space (wide enough for two real bedrooms in back). 13+ foot vaulted ceilings must only enhance the sense of open space.
a history of lower-priced mints
The 8th floor was said to be in "mint" condition when it sold in February 2007 at $2.15mm off an asking price of $2.25mm, while the 5ht floor was said to be in "triple mint" condition (not to mention, "magnificent") when it sold in January 2007 for the then-asking price of $2.125mm (reduced from the original $2.25mm asked). Number of mints aside, these two points seem pretty strong indications of value of fully finished lofts only a year and a half ago. Yet the 2d floor was successful asking $2.5mm for a loft that should require another $400k to $500k (using a $200/ft benchmark for this "2,200 sq ft" space).
coming back to market soon?
The 8th floor had been offered for sale since October at $2.85mm (in "spectacular" condition), a price that is more in line with a successful 2d floor sale off of $2.5mm (though still a hefty premium from its February 2007 trade at $2.25mm or the January 2007 very mint-y closing of the 5th floor). But that listing is no longer on PruDE's site -- though it has not been updated to the other firms as off the market. If #2 got close to $2.5mm, what should the 8th floor get?
Color me curious (about the clearing price of #2).
© Sandy Mattingly 2008
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Jun. 18, 2008 - the problem with anecdotes / reports from 40 Bond Street and Time Warner
Though a relatively short piece, Josh Barbanel's June 8 Sunday NY Times review of market data (A Mixed Picture) was rich for me, generating a June 11 post (data point in a sideways market / closing at 32 West 18 Street) and a June 13 post (Barbanel gives up Manhattan sales data in NY Times, grudgingly). Obviously, I have been thinking about it a lot. Here's more.
not bashing Barbanel, honest
Like so many newspaper articles about Manhattan real estate, Barbanel's piece was a mix of big picture data and specific "facts", in this case about some high-end price reductions. Skeptic that I am, I tend to wonder if the facts fit the story line, so it is nice when the facts presented are specific enough that I can find the details elsewhere. Here are Barbanel's facts, with my emphasis added:
At a number of celebrated recent developments, from the Time Warner Center facing Central Park, to 40 Bond Street off the Bowery in NoHo, condo owners have trimmed their asking prices on resales.
At 40 Bond, the resale asking price on a three-bedroom triplex was cut by $1 million in late May, to $10.9 million, or about $2,900 a square foot. Dennis Mangone, a broker at the Corcoran Group who recently had three listings in the building (one was just rented), said that competition between the sponsor (there is still one unsold one-bedroom ) and individual owners had “cannibalized resales” and that he expected prices to appreciate considerably in the next year.
At Time Warner, there are now 16 apartments on the market, according to Streeteasy.com, including three for which the asking prices were cut in the last few weeks, two of them by more than $1 million.
I read the story line of this piece as Manhattan-showing-signs-of-slowing. Here was the set-up for Barbanel's use of the 40 Bond and Time Warner anecdotes:
Yet there were some signs of caution in the preliminary numbers, the first indicator of the contracts signed in the spring selling season, which usually continues through the Fourth of July. The number of sales closed during May was 20 percent below May 2007, when the number of sales set a record for any single month. They were, however, above the sales volume recorded in May 2006.
million dollar price drops sound like trouble, no?
I think a fair reading of the sequence is that Barbanel is talking about these million dollar price drops as suggesting more "caution". But the data don't support that view (yet) because those million dollar drops -- while dramatic -- are off huge asking prices, seeking huge gains.
Checking the inter-firm data base and public data for closed transactions, it is easy to find the 3 BR triplex at 40 Bond that Barbanel cites as a price cut. In fact, that unit closed October 18, 2007 in the sale by the developer at $7.9mm, was immediately offered for flipping (October 19) at $12.2mm, but bumped to $11.9mm in March, and to $10.9mm in May (that drop in May was the million dollar drop Barbanel cites).
asking for a two million dollar gain
I don't see evidence of a slowing market in this history. Of course, the asking prices don't tell us much more than the attitude of the seller and agent, but -- so far -- this seller and this seller's agent are pretty bullish, as even a sale at $10mm in the next 4 months will gross a $2mm gain in a year. (Who knows if it will sell, of course.)
As always, StreetEasy is a good source for the details for any Manhattan coop or condo; 40 Bond Street info is here.
asking for the moon
Meanwhile at the Time Warner Center, one of those million dollar price drops was from $32mm to $29.995mm (it has just been dropped again, to $29.65mm) for a duplex (high floor, park views? you bet), the two original units of which were purchased for a combined $9.5mm in January and February 2004. I don't read a lot of market negativity into an asking price that is three times the 4 year oldpurchase price.
One other of those million dollar drops at Time Warner was from $20.5mm to $18.95mm for an apartment that closed for $8.9mm in March 2005 and was resold for $13mm a year ago. (As far as I can tell,the third million dollar drop was one part of the duplex offered, combined, for $29.65mm.)
Again, StreetEasy is your friend, with interesting building info for the two Time Warner towers here and here.
Again, not bashing Barbanel here. Just wondering about the specific "facts" offered to support a story line that don't quite do the trick. Though I would expect that an experienced reporter like Barbanel would ask about the sales history of the specific listings he uses to support his story line. Maybe next time....
© Sandy Mattingly 2008
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Jun. 17, 2008 - another Broadway odyssey / 710 Broadway (finally) closes
toddler no more
When I hit the Manhattan loft on the 2d floor at 710 Broadway in January, it was in its toddler stage, having passed its listing-birthday in December (Jan 9, 710 Broadway is slimmer after holiday break). Property Shark (but not StreetEasy) reveals the information that a deed was filed transferring this loft on June 5, for $2mm.
As I said in January about it's history
It took only 2 weeks off the market over the break of the year but is back today [January 9], at the slightly reduced price of $2.195mm. (It started at $2.5mm in December 2006, changed firms in March and has been at $2.295mm since April, with a long summer vacation off the market.)
negotiable, indeed
Thus, the sellers were rather negotiable off of the $2.295mm asking price, with a deal struck at $2mm even (how low did the bidding start??). If the quoted size is accurate, that is $816/ft.
I noted in January that the layout was both quirky and challenging:
This “2,450 sq ft” space is relatively narrow at 21.5 feet, with the classic three windows in front (over Broadway) and in back; it is also tall enough (at 14 feet) to have a mezzanine over the kitchen and bathrooms with 2 sleep loft / office spaces. The footprint is challenging, so narrow that the 2d “bedroom” in the back is only 7.5 feet wide, with a long ‘dressing room’ between it and the window. The plumbing is in the middle of the loft, so the bathrooms are back-to-back and a long way from the bedroom.
There are no pictures of the kitchen or baths (and no bragging unless you count “jacuzzi”), which is consistent with my recollection that these elements are pretty dated.
"Quirky" may limit the market of potential buyers (fewer people appreciate your quirks), but "challenging" definitely limits the market. The result (at this location) is a clearing price wll below average for a Manhattan loft.
long, but not that long
This is the second recently completed odyssey on this block. 714 Broadway #4 took more than two years, as I noted in an April 30 post, O - d - y - s - s - e - y ends at 714 Broadway with 4th floor closing. (Irritating fact out of the Manhattan Real Estate Industrial Complex is that that coop sale -- for which a deed was filed almost 3 months ago -- does not yet have a publicly available sales price that I can find.)
© Sandy Mattingly 2008
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Jun. 16, 2008 - Manhattan loft inventory as of June 15
Number of Manhattan lofts offered for sale as of Sunday night:
price range
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# of lofts
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$500k to $999k
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104
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$1mm to $1.99mm
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256
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$2mm to $2.99mm
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175
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$3mm to $3.99mm
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93
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$4mm to $4.99mm
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45
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$5mm to $10mm
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78
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TOTAL
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751
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This total is (still) essentially unchanged since my first count on May 19, which was 745. See that May 19 post for what I am counting, and why it is difficult.
© Sandy Mattingly 2008
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Jun. 15, 2008 - new Manhattan loft listings + closed sales in last 7 days
This is my thirty-third report on the number, price distribution and neighborhood distribution for Manhattan lofts reported as new to the market or as closed sales in the last 7 days.
The stats as of Sunday night ...
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there were 22 lofts reported as new to the market in the last 7 days and 27 as sold (a rare week in which sales were greater than new listings)
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17 of the 22 new ones are offered below $3mm, while 15 of the 27 closed sales were between $2mm and $4mm
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only 3 of the 22 new loft listings are in new development, but 11 of the 27 closed sales were in new development
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