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Jul. 31, 2006 - Yes Virginia, there was a Thomas in English Muffins / an oven grows in Chelsea

Careful what renovation projects you undertake

A “self-proclaimed Mr. Fixit”, Mike Kinnane, took down part of a basement wall on 20th Street around the corner from 9th Avenue, and discovered a 20 ft x 15 ft brick oven that had been used (really!) by the original Thomas of Thomas’s English Muffins.
 
Mr. [Samuel Bath] Thomas left England in 1874, carrying a recipe for a muffin that more than a century later still carries his name.
He set up shop in 1880, building his first bakery at 163 Ninth Avenue, just around the corner from what is now 337 West 20th Street, the building where Mr. Kinnane and Ms. McInerney bought an apartment a year ago.
The popularity of Thomas’ English Muffins soared quickly as demand built as far away as the Bronx and Queens [that far!], according to George Weston Bakeries, the company that now owns the brand. To increase production and keep up with demand, Mr. Thomas opened a second bakery, perhaps early in the last century, on West 20th Street, right around the corner from the first.”
That second bakery is what Mr. Kinnane discovered. This being New York, a city in which you can find pretty much any service at any time, they found an urban archeologist , who will continue the research.
 
 
 
No word on whether Geraldo Rivera will search for Betty Crocker’s kitchen….
 
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Jul. 30, 2006 - More on lofts with views / Big Sky Country in the West 30s

 
LOTS of light near the Lincoln Tunnel
I went to a broker open house tour last week, which featured some beautiful lofts from 36th to 39th Streets between 8th and 10th Avenues. For purposes of this quick post, I only want to highlight how much sky (some with terrific views) is available to lofts in this not-yet-fashionable loft neighborhood.
 
Note that the two interior photos below do not feature well just how open the views are (a mistake by the listing agents, IMO). As I told the broker on one of these listings, that neighborhood features many lofts with views that are elsewhere available  only for another million (or two) dollars.







As grist for a future blog post, a couple of these buildings have nearby development slated which will impact some of the views, but that is for another day….

 
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Jul. 27, 2006 - What the [deleted] does this mean? CNNMoney report that NY & NJ housing 43% overpriced

 
Why it is so hard to apply national housing data to Manhattan
Curbed.com posted a link on Thursday to a CNN Money article, with the Curbed ‘headline’ “Report:  NY/NJ housing 43% overpriced”, which made me go “hmmm … that seems like a simple statement of fact, but I wonder what that really means?” After reading the article (headlined “most overpriced home markets”) I still wondered, so I checked out the website for the source of the data, Local Market Monitor, which charges thousands of dollars to subscribers to get their data,, but I still wondered, so I checked out the government sites cited as sources for the data.
 
Trying to understand the data is … difficult
I am still wondering.
 
I am still wondering about what possible value this data has about New York and New Jersey.
 
I am still wondering about what Les Christie, the CNN Money staff writer, thinks the utility of the data is.
 
I am still wondering what Ingo Winzer, the president of the firm that came up with the data, thinks the utility of the data is.
 
And I am really wondering about what media may pick this up and what take they will have on the data. Like Curbed.com, they may simply report as “fact” that New York and New Jersey housing is over-priced by 43% -- whatever that means.
 
Is the NY/NJ “market” equivalent to Oklahoma City? (hint: you don’t need a hint)
If I have not lost you yet, one of my problems with the data is that LMM “tracks” 100 geographic housing “markets” and appears to present them as (in some sense) equivalent (as the article talks about, for example, how many markets showed increases or reductions in affordability) but these “markets” are extremely disparate in size. (I will explain below.)
 
Another problem I have in understanding what to do with this data (what sense to make of it) is that half of the equation (LLM compares sales prices to “equilibrium” prices in these markets) is invisible and not externally sourced.
 
“equilibrium” pricing is a bit mysterious
Presumably there is proprietary data for the “equilibrium” prices, but since that is the key to understanding whether selling prices are over-priced or not, it would inspire more confidence if we had any idea where that comparator comes from.
 
“Company president Ingo Winzer bases those values on local economic and population growth, construction costs, vacancy rates, household income in the area and interest rates.”
 
So I guess this has something to do with higher “equilibrium” pricing being supported by positive local economic growth, and increasing local population, and higher construction costs, and lower vacancy rates, and higher household income in the area, although I have no idea why interest rates make any significant difference.
 
We should Manhattan only be twice as expensive as Oklahoma City??
The LMM “equilibrium” price of $300k is about 20% higher than Baltimore’s $243k, about a third higher than Durham’s $220k, only about half higher than Indianapolis at $198k, and only twice as high as Oklahoma City at $149k. Nothing against any of these fine cities, but I just don’t get the value of data and analysis that suggests that housing here should cost only twice as much as housing in Oklahoma City. It is just too darn crude a data “point” to be useful.
 
And, sorry – but most people in Manhattan would be offended if one argued that local housing here should only be twice as expensive as in Oklahoma City. Or even Durham.
 
Oklahoma City has a population just over a half million, according to CNNMoney. I can’t tell quite what “New York – North New Jersey” covers, but if it is the Census Bureau’s Standard Metropolitan Statistical Area, I think it includes Long Island, Westchester and several north Jersey counties, all of which must have a combined population more than thirty times the size of Oklahoma City. So why treat these two markets as equivalent for any purpose??
 
Another problem: most Manhattan sales data is invisible for this report
The United States OFHEO is identified as the source for sale price data, but (unless I am misreading the OFHEO website) the OFHEO House Price Index data has two serious limitations for Manhattan real estate. First, they track sales of single family homes – not apartments in multi-unit housing, so Manhattan is essentially invisible. Second, they track only transactions with mortgages under (this year) $417,001. So cash transactions, non-mortgage transactions, and transactions in which more than $417,000 was secured do not figure in the Housing Price Index, which suggests that many purchase in the New York metropolitan area are no included in this data.
 
The OFHEO.gov FAQ page describes the Housing Price Index as based on transactions involving conforming, conventional mortgages purchased or securitized by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. Only mortgage transactions on single-family properties are included
 
I have now exhausted even myself with this, so I will come to a point. The CNNMoney article and the underlying LMM analysis don’t seem to have much validity for Manhattan. I am not saying that housing here is not over-priced, just that you can’t prove it by this article.
 
I wonder what Jonathan Miller thinks of this article….
 
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Jul. 25, 2006 - Cobblestone wars – PR muscle moves in??

 
Weird that the NY Post today has a piece about the June 20 CB1 Landmarks Committee rejection of the attempt by 44 Laight Street condo owners to replace part of the cobblestone street, which I blogged about on July 5.
 
Why is 44 Laight Street news now?
What’s weird is that there is nothing obviously ‘newsworthy’ today about that month-old event. But the new article is making the rounds of the blogosphere, giving the issue new life. My guess is that the condo owners have hired some PR firm in anticipation of their appeal to the Landmarks Preservation Commission.
 
I would characterize the tone of today’s article as somewhat sympathetic, notwithstanding the slap at the building’s units going for “$5 million a pop”, but not specific enough to be really helpful.
 
These rich strolling-pushing Manolo-wearing moms (snarky bloggers are not sympathetic) are only asking that a portion of the cobblestone “street” be replaced, and make the point that the “street” has no sidewalk. That doesn’t sound quite as unreasonable as moving to the historic district because of its charm (old manufacturing heritage, which includes cobblestones and no sidewalks) then calling for the removal of the charm.
 
Should they be repatriated to the Upper West Side?
Community Board 1 has – so far – been less than sympathetic. The CB1 Landmarks Committee chair is quoted as though they should get back on the boat:
 
"If you don't like cobblestones in TriBeCa, live on the Upper West Side," he sniffed.
 
Fact is, the condo may be responsible if someone is injured walking in front of the building (ever try to shovel snow or ice off of cobblestones??). Fact is, sidewalks weren’t need on the block when (a) there were no pedestrians and (B) 18 wheelers pulled up right to the building edges. Would a real sidewalk impair that ‘authentic’ Tribeca grit on Laight Street? Maybe not….
 
Sounds as though Landmarks Preservation should let them pay for a real sidewalk without disturbing the street-full of cobblestones.
 
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Jul. 18, 2006 - The strange case of the rent-free loft / the dicey math of illegal lofts

 
Fascinating piece in the Village Voice about the peculiar oh-so-New-York dance that can happen when a landlord accepts residential tenants into a non-residential building. Among other things, landlords are severely restricted in using the courts to collect rent or to evict tenants for non-payment of rent. On the other hand, tenants have limited rights in court to enforce minimal residential standards for heat, safety or services.
 
I thought I knew most of what has been going on, and I remember what it was like in the ‘early loft’ era in Manhattan, but I was definitely surprised by the concept of tactically free rent in illegally residential buildings.
 
It might suit only a specific lifestyle
The three roommate sin the Voice article got upset when the landlord tried to raise the rent $40 a month. When they – first – refused to pay the higher rent, and then stopped paying rent completely … silence ensured.
 
After a year of leaking roofs, soaked furniture, and a locked freight elevator that was only occasionally available for use, the landlord raised their monthly rent from $1,850 to $1,890. "As musicians living on the fourth floor, we need the elevator [to move our equipment]," says Jamal Ruhe. "So that was a primary instigator in our being pissed enough to risk getting thrown out of our apartment." The roommates balked at the thought of paying even more for their crumbling space and decided that they would neither sign the new lease nor acknowledge the rent increase. They waited for the building manager to say something, but as Jamal Ruhe recalls, "Nothing happened, and by nothing I mean nothing at all. Not a tenuous nothing, no word from anyone. And that went on for the better part of the year."
 
Eventually they figured out something important about NYC rent law:
 
But after conducting a little research, Jamal Ruhe began to understand the silence. Apartment buildings that have at least three residential units must be registered as a multiple dwelling and must have a certificate of occupancy for residential use—a difficult-to-obtain piece of paperwork. If landlords don't have those documents, as was the case at 170 Tillary, they can neither compel tenants to pay rent nor evict them for nonpayment.
 
Only in New York kids, only in New York
Can this happen anywhere else? I hope not….
 
The roommates in the Voice knowingly lived in a space that was a fire trap, that leaked, where the elevator did not often work – let alone that lacked the other “niceties” of the residential building code that did not protect them. On a personal level, they figured it was worth it for free rent.
 
They figured out that the landlord could not easily sue for eviction for non-payment of rent because it was not a legal residence. But they also knew that they could not sure to enforce any ‘usual’ residential prerogatives – like heat.
 
For the landlord, apparently it works – until it doesn’t. Once tenants figure out the landlord is a bit hamstrung, they can – and seemingly do – often simply stop paying rent and wait.
 
Not a lifestyle that will appeal to a lot of tenants, and not a cash flow or liability profile that will appeal to a lot of landlords.
 
What does the City care?
Once renters stop paying rent, one has to assume they figure they feel they are getting a better deal than if they moved into a place that they actually paid for. Theoretically, they can make the mature decision about risk allocation and – to be in total bad taste -- to leave it to their heirs and assigns to bring a wrongful death lawsuit if the worst happens.
 
Apparently, this is not a big priority for City housing regulators.
 
"Usually nothing happens" after a case like this, says April Newbauer, attorney in charge at Legal Aid's civil practice in Queens. "We see the same units being rented out over and over. It could go on indefinitely like that. It is not an individual judge's job to become a whistle-blower for future cases."
 
When manufacturing or industrial loft buildings became illegal residences, the space available for businesses shrinks – not necessarily a good thing.
 
Illegal loft apartments are increasingly part of the scenery in many industrial areas of Brooklyn—including DUMBO, Williamsburg, and Bushwick—as demand from manufacturer tenants has fallen. In fact, some housing lawyers estimate that there are hundreds of illegally converted loft buildings in Brooklyn. In East Williamsburg alone, the New York Industrial Retention Network (NYIRN) identified 27 illegally converted loft buildings in an industrial park. The NYIRN, a nonprofit that promotes economic development, is hoping to prevent more illegal conversions and preserve space for manufacturing….
 
But when people need places to live and spaces are under-utilized by business, there is an opportunity for owners and renters to accommodate each other. Who is exploiting whom? If rent is id for “substandard” living space, maybe it is the owner who takes unfair advantage. When it is the renter who stops paying rent, maybe the owner is the screw-ee.
 
This is yet another example of a dynamic city re-inventing itself (sometimes, block by block) as times change.
 
How did it end?
For those paying really close attention, this case from the Voice ended with some money changing hands from the landlord to the tenants. The landlord was in the Second Judicial Department (Queens and Brooklyn), is gained the right to sue to evict in a more summary proceeding than landlords in the First Judicial Department (Manhattan and the Bronx).
 
Let’s close with another savvy renter quote:
 
"Do you pay someone an astronomical amount of rent just to have a roof over your head, or do you pay for a certain amount of safety, or do you pay for convenience? Because we haven't had any safety or convenience living here."
 
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Jul. 18, 2006 - light more precious than views to an artist / more on losing views...

 
More than a river view or an Empire State Building-centered panorama, artist Chuck Close will miss his light, if a proposed NoHo development occurs, putting a unique spin on he question about the value of “views” I addressed last week.
 
Chuck Close depends on his north light
Lincoln Anderson in The Villager reports that Close’s Bond Street ground floor studio is in jeopardy if a Lafayette Street condominium is permitted to fill in a small space next to his studio. The proposed development would be a 7-story condo on Lafayette.
 
The main part of development would be ten to twenty feet from his studio, which would limit the north light in the studio. But a small portion (apparently a single story) would fill in the lot adjoining the studio, which varies from six to ten feet wide, and which would be flush against Close’s west wall, covering his windows on that side.
 
The developer needs a variance for any residential construction, so Close and other artists in the same building (as well as those nearby who are sympathetic) have the opportunity to marshal public opinion.
 
AIR at issue, but even AIR use could be fatal to the north light
One issue is the Artists In Residence restrictions still in pace on residential buildings in SoHo and Noho (which I would have said are all but dead, before seeing this article and City Council Member Gerson’s concerns about AIR remaining viable), but the more interesting issue (to me, and perhaps to Close) is the possibility of any new building eating his light.
 
The article explains why this studio is so important to Close. The ground floor location suits his wheel chair, he can bring canvases up from the basement through a slit in the floor and a pneumatic lift, and the main north light (supplemented by his two western windows) comes in through skylights (he paints under the skylights). He has used the studio for 18 years and now does four portraits a year.
 
The paintings sell for “a lot,” he said, “probably an obscene amount.”
 
Rauschenberg, et al. beget Schrager (a different kind of ‘artist’)
As Close says, the current values in the neighborhood flowed from the artists who have been there for years.
 
“Nobody wanted this neighborhood. We saved it,” he said on Tuesday, showing a visitor around his space. “Ian Schrager wants to build here [down the block on Bond Street] now because of the cachet.”
 
Close has some heavy artist firepower in his neighborhood.
 
Other notable artists, including Robert Rauschenberg, Robert Mapplethorpe, Frank Stella, Brice Marden, Jean-Michel Basquiat and Robert Franks, have also made or continue to make Noho their home, Close wrote in a July 7 letter to the Board of Standards and Appeals, which will consider the variance applications at its July 18 meeting.
 
Why didn’t he buy it?
Close’s argument boils down to a claim that no one should be able to build in such a way that eliminates his light because the original use of that space was as a courtyard between “his” building and a now demolished townhouse. If he were not the special artist that he is, with the physical limitations that he has, this would be an almost laughable argument. If keeping that space empty was so important to him, he could have bought it, probably with the “obscene” money he makes for his portraits.
 
In his favor, perhaps, is that the proposed use needs a variance from the Board of Standards and Appeals, but it appears that even an as-of-right development on that site would be fatal to the light in the studio.
 
The Zoning Committee of Community Board 2 will issue an advisory ruling before the BSA hearing tonight. After that, eh losing side may pursue administrative or judicial appeals. But Close maintains that if the developer is allowed to proceed he will have to leave the city.
 
The stakes are high
This [the studio] can’t be easily duplicated,” he said. “If I lose my light, I’m gone
 
Essentially, Close is claiming some sort of artist’s-light-easement, which has never been recognized in any court so far as I know. There is not enough detail in The Villager article to be able to tell if there are any compromise shapes or accommodations that can be made to preserve the studio’s light. I suspect that Close would (and should) be wiling to pay a lot of money to keep hi slight by reducing the developer’s “rights’ to build, if such a result is even feasible.
 
The intersection of Art, politics and Real Estate
But the developer certainly runs the risk that he will be denied his necessary variances because BSA listens to the neighborhood artists and Council member Gerson. If he does, I wonder if he will build whatever he can there as of right (or sell to someone who will), accomplishing the same result for Close.
 
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Jul. 17, 2006 - What makes a city a “city”? (hint: this is a blog about lofts)

 
Funny little piece from the Sacramento Bee (free registration may be required for full text) about some new rental development that is part of the revitalization of downtown Sacramento.
 
New style of apartments in Sacramento
There are 400 rental units in two buildings about to be available, in addition to several downtown condominiums coming on line in a couple of years. Apparently, new downtown residential development is a novelty for California’s capital city, and probably falls under the general heading of ‘re-urbanization.’
 
The funny part starts with the two new rental buildings being high-end lofts.
 
John Dangberg, Sacramento's assistant city manager for economic development, said the new residential projects are not only larger than those that have previously opened downtown; they're "offering a product that has never been offered."
"From a qualitative standpoint, they're a step up, in terms of their finishes, the urban experiences they provide, the design of the units, and the volume of the units," Dangberg said. "Plus, they're mixed use. You've got retail on the ground floor and residential above."
One of the happy renters provides the punch line:
"Now we can call this a city," said Nadal, gazing out from a seventh-floor penthouse with bamboo flooring, granite kitchen countertops and a living room wall made almost entirely out of glass.
"Sacramento's not a town anymore."

I wonder how Sacramento placed in the CNNMoney.com top big cities rankings….
 
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Jul. 17, 2006 - Popularity contests / NYC just cracks list of best “big” cities [caution: parochial rant]

 
It has been a few years since I paid attention to the annual college rankings in US News & World Report, but I remember the head-scratching that the ranking process engendered. CNNMoney.com brought those memories back with its rankings of the 100 best places to live and the 10 best “big” cities.
 
The methodology is transparent to the extent that they cite the statistical categories that they rely on to make these rankings (including things such as median household income, median home price, crime stats, and air quality), but these rankings are always a bit surreal.
 
A national shortage of big cities?
I will not dwell on the minutiae any longer, as the strangest things that struck me about the 10 Best Big Cities is … how small they are. Six of the top ten have populations between three and four hundred thousand, two others are under 750,000. Then there’s San Diego at 1,255,500.
 
New York City squeaks in to the rankings at #10, right behind Wichita. What kind of list of BIG cities is that??
 
I guess they like their big cities small out there in America....
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Jul. 12, 2006 - another new school for Tribeca?

 
A new public Intermediate School in Tribeca??
I missed the original mention in the Post, but The Real Deal credits the Post as reporting that the City is “considering” (weasel word, that!) opening an Intermediate School in Tower 5 in the WTC complex (where the Deutsche Bank building is still standing, 130 Liberty Street). No word on when this might be. (Intermediate Schools typically cover grades 6 – 8.)
 
By my count, that is three public school sites under discussion in Tribeca (with the two discussed in my post back in March), if you count this far south as Tribeca.
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Jul. 11, 2006 - Now you see it (and pay for it), now you don’t / what are views worth?

 
Following nicely on my post yesterday about the values of Manhattan apartment outdoor space, The Real Deal segues with a piece about vanishing views and view values. Clearly, views matter, and command a premium. Equally – this being a dynamic market in a dynamic city -- nearly all views are provisional.
 
The article talks about a (non)buyer on the seventh floor at 21 East 22 Street with (that day) “city views” and a partial view of Madison Square Park, whose feet got cold when plans were discovered to build a 40-story residence at 20 East 23 Street.
 
Similarly, some owners at The Century, 25 Central Park West (at 62nd and 63rd Streets) are losing Central Park views with the construction of the full-block 15 CPW, which has a 20 story tower in front of a 43 story tower. This new building will also take some park away from some lower floors at the Mandarin at Time Warner.
 
Fired! Your view has been Trump'd…
The article also talks about the views lost at 100 UN Plaza (52 stories at First Avenue and 48th Street) when the 90-story Trump World Tower (truly ‘Trump-over-sized’) was finished five years ago just to the south. I don’t know if values at 100 UN Plaza have recovered yet. Owners facing south in 100 UN Plaza (easily half of the units) lost nearly all of their southern views 15 years after the building was built.
 
What goes around…
Ironically, the article uses the Lincoln Towers buildings (about ten 30-story towers along West End Avenue in the high 60s) as an example of development that can both destroy views and increase real estate values. When the Towers were built in the late 1950s, anyone to the east that used to enjoy Hudson River boats and colorful New Jersey tinted sunsets lost all of that. But – over time – the introduction of so many new residents increased services over time and, thus, property values in the neighborhood.
 
"The construction of the Lincoln Towers [on the Upper West Side] worked as a positive," Kammerer said. "The expensive limestone buildings enhanced the neighborhood."

When an entire complex of properties like the Lincoln Towers is developed, it elevates the value of neighboring properties, translating into higher property values.

"There is a loss of scenic view but the association to the new units and upgrade in retail services increases the property value," Miller said. "However, more times than not, the view is blocked, but the neighborhood remains unchanged."
 
Trump’d again!
What’s weird about this example is that it was The Donald’s development over the old rail yards in the West 60s that caused the west-looking Lincoln Towers apartments to lose 95% of their river views, beginning with the first ‘Trump Place” apartments on ‘Riverside Boulevard’ in 1999.
 
The Lincoln Towers folks undoubtedly looked out over the rail yards for forty years and figured no one could build over that. No one but The Donald, as it turned out.
 
My sense if that there had been about a ten or fifteen percent differential within Lincoln Towers for apartments with river views, which was eliminated essentially overnight once the Trump Place towers started going up (eight towers in eight years), but that values have gone up, nonetheless. In contrast to the Miller quote above, in this case, the neighborhood improved. ("There is a loss of scenic view but the association to the new units and upgrade in retail services increases the property value," Miller said. "However, more times than not, the view is blocked, but the neighborhood remains unchanged.") Driving prices north.
 
But the Lincoln Towers folks (and the 100 UN Plaza folks) who lost the views lost the views. I suspect that in most cases they would – if offered such a hypothetical choice –have opted to keep the views and lose the added-Trump-value.
 
Increasingly valuable, increasingly fragile
Appraiser Mitchell Maxwell Jackson has data suggesting that the value of a “view” has increased dramatically, just as the scope of new development puts more views at risk.
 
In 1983, apartments without views compared to apartments with views had a 10 percent difference in the price. But in 2005, the same apartments were resold with a 38 percent difference in price, the analysis found.
 
The differential is undoubtedly greater when “the view” being valued is a great view. Once again Trump provides relevant data, since his buildings are either overlooking park or river (Trump Place at Riverside Boulevard, Trump International Tower at Columbus Circle) or are really tall (Trump Tower, 68 stories on Fifth Avenue at 56 Street), or both (Trump International).
 
In looking at three Trump condos and comparing “view” apartments to “non-view” apartments in those buildings, Mitchell Maxwell Jackson found:
 
In 1983, the difference in prices of a two-bedroom apartment with a view was 31 percent. In 1995, the difference was 71 percent, and in 2004, the difference in prices for an apartment with a view was 148 percent.

"The markets now recognize the value of light and views and developers now price much more aggressively for this," Jackson said.
 
Add 40% to take your breath away
Overall, Jonathan Miller puts “breathtaking views” at a huge premium:
 
The impact of view on overall property values can vary, with breathtaking views making up 20 to 40 percent of a given apartment's value, said Jonathan Miller, president of appraisal firm Miller Samuel.
 
Using protection?
The best (only?) way to understand the risk and life-expectancy of a given view is to hire a zoning attorney to review the parcels in the relevant sight line. Then, take a deep breath and try to guess what the future will bring. What changes in the city might make it possible that the present zoning could change enough to change (destroy) your coveted view? My crystal ball is fuzzy….
 
Again, take another deep breath: as Miller says "Enjoy the view while it lasts,"
 
(He notes that “lot line” views can have a particularly short life time, but that is a segue for a different post….)
Bottom line for many lofts – feh?
Classic (original) lofts in original loft areas tended to have more to do with ‘sky’ than ’view’, so their values are not as dependent on views. (Some of the original Soho lofts barely have any light to begin with; many financial district lofts have ‘canyon views’ and light, with a short visual prospect) The newer uber-lofts in condo towers are more dependent on views for value, of course.
 
Even with the older lofts, there have certainly been instances of new buildings spoiling views and, in some cases, even light.
 
Residents of the American Thread Company (260 West Broadway) with north views on lower floors are losing nearly all of their northern exposure with the construction of the new boutique hotel on what had been a one-story AT&T garage facility. They had enjoyed the view and light for 25 years.
 
Residents on the west side of 261 Broadway are losing all of their view and most of their light with the construction of a tower next door (the broker who last year sold one high floor unit that was affected conducted open houses with butcher paper on three or four windows so that everyone understood what would happen – brilliant!). Also a 25 year old view.
 
 
 
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Jul. 10, 2006 - “I may not use it, but I really want it” / what Manhattan terraces and balconies are worth

 

 Who wants a terrace? (hint: everyone)

The Times is right:

 “The funny thing about private outdoor space in the city is that some people who have it use it, others don't, but most people seem to want it regardless and are willing to pay extra for it.”

“Everybody” wants it, yes, except for some families with small children and those of us afraid of heights (both of whom shy away from balconies). And nearly everyone who wants it is willing to pay for it.

 

But who uses it depends, in large part, on whether the outdoor space is a terrace (on top of a building setback) or a balcony (literally extending from the building exterior wall), on what floor they are on, and on whether there is a lot of vehicle traffic nearby.

 

Terraces are generally larger than balconies (often by a large degree), and generally feel more secure. Because they are only where the building has setbacks, there tend to be fewer of them than balconies, which can hang off a building in as many columns as a developer wants.

 

Expensive storage space

My personal observation is that if you could look across at a line of balconies, you are very likely to see many indications that they are used rarely, if at all. You will often see bicycles, dead plants, dirty plastic patio furniture, and rusty barbecue grills or hibachis. You will see more live plants, and more clean furniture, and fewer ‘storage’ items on higher floors, and on balconies that are (relatively) protected from traffic noise and soot.

 

The data that most surprised me in the Times article was to how common outdoor space is, although commentator and smart guy Jonathan Miller is quoted with data showing they are trading less often than they had been.

 

One in ten coops or condos has outdoor space? Really??

Only 10.9 percent of all residential sales in Manhattan last year included units with some type of private outdoor space, down from 14.4 percent in 2000 and 18.3 percent in 1995, according to the appraisal company Miller Samuel. "The drop suggests that the properties with outdoor space — more likely large space like terraces and gardens — have a longer holding period and do not turn over as often," said Jonathan J. Miller, the company's president.

 

Big value, no surprise there

Commentator (smart guy) Miller provided the first hard data I have seen about values, though the data is hidden behind the “typical” label.

 

Just how much of a premium buyers can expect to pay for a patch for earth (or concrete) will vary greatly. Typically, apartments with private outdoor space get an extra 25 to 50 cents on the dollar per square foot, Mr. Miller said. (So at $1,000 a square foot, the average price of all Manhattan apartments right now, a 400-square-foot terrace could add as much as $200,000 to the price tag.)

 

I do not believe that there is “typical” outdoor space, but the range given (25 to 50 cents per dollar per square foot) is wide enough to include a wide range of spaces. 

The Times provided one concrete example, a building I have not seen.

At the Atelier, a high-rise going up on West 42nd Street, a one-bedroom with a terrace starts at around $820,000, versus $770,000 for one without a terrace; a two-bedroom with a terrace starts at $1.305 million, versus $1.145 million without, according to Elad Dror, residential director for the Moinian Group, which is developing the 46-story, 478-unit condominium.

 

© Sandy Mattingly 2006
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Jul. 7, 2006 - dynamic city / time runs out on a stripped Tiffany’s

 

Here is the second of two posts inspired by Sunday’s NY Times that got me thinking about how dynamic New York City is.

 

From champagne to jewels

Sunday’s Real Estate section carried a piece about an ugly building on Union Square West, six blocks due west along 15th Street from the new Moet HQ.

 

Who knew that this spare white building began life in 1870 as the flagship of Tiffany & Company, jewelers and was a “monster [cast] iron building”?

 

The Times [in 1870] called the new building a "palace of jewels," with black-walnut counters and ebony cases holding watches, fans, opera glasses and other articles in wood, leather, silver, cloisonné, enamel, bronze and rosewood. The Times observed that one ornamental statue, " 'Zingerilla,' by the Spanish sculptor Klessinger, appears almost ready to speak to her admirers."

 

Tiffany’s stayed for only 35 years before moving uptown (to 37th Street and Fifth Avenue) and the building became a home for garment companies. By 1925 the building was owned by Amalgamated Bank, which had been formed by the Amalgamated Clothing Workers of America, one of many trade unions located (coincidentally?) around Union Square (the square was named for the federal union – The United States).

 

An accident and a careful architect

How did this “elaborate” cast-iron building turn into the “blocky white blob of a building” it has been?

 

It was an accident, literally.

 

A piece of iron fell from the façade in 1952, leading to the death of the unfortunate pedestrian it landed on. The Amalgamated Bank hired a thorough architect to “make sure” that such an accident never recurred. Which this careful architect did by stripping away every projecting piece of iron from the façade and encasing the shell in white brick.

 

Since then, the bank has been just one part of the polyglot assortment of Union Square's architecture, which mixes Romanesque, Queen Anne, Federal, postmodern and other styles

 

This polyglot of styles persisted through the decline of the Union Square area as the City’s fortunes waned across the Board in the 1970s, and the square was a place to avoid at night (and sometimes during the day). The coming of the greenmarket and restaurateur Danny Meyer in the 1980s began the upswing in fortunes. I believe Meyer deserves much of the credit for marshalling property owners around the square to pressure the City for better police and sanitation services. His Union Square Café became a big social and gustatory hit, which increased the attention paid to the area, and resulted in the last few years in major improvements to the square. (A personal note: I vividly recall the street reconstruction projects being well under way on September 11, 2001, as I walked through the square just before 9 AM that Tuesday, just after the first plane had flown low and loud over my head, heading south.)

 

(Bless Meyer also for similar work he did on marshalling corporate neighbors in cleaning up Madison Square a few years ago, where his 11 Madison and Tabla sit.)

 

But I digress….

 

A predictable but dynamic change

The next act for the boring white brick bank building that used to be an elaborate cast-iron jewelry firm is clear, at least for this structure. Given the zoning and the general market, when the bank sells the building (as it has begun to do) it is likely to be torn down to be replaced by a condominium tower.

From luxury jewelry to ladies underwear to a union bank to the inevitable condo, in four acts spanning about 140 years. Maybe that is not so dynamic a series of changes, after all....

 

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Jul. 7, 2006 - dynamic city / champagne in a cookie building

 

Two pieces in Sunday’s NY Times got me thinking about how dynamic New York City is. I suppose that other cities are similarly dynamic, but the relative age, breadth and range of the City, and its sharp geographic boundaries, probably make NYC – and especially Manhattanmore dynamic.

 

Here’s the first one.

 

The business section ran an article about the new HQ of Moet Hennessy, on the second floor of a 1914 building that used to house the National Biscuit Company (better known as Nabisco) between Tenth and Eleventh Avenues (address is 85 Tenth Av, from 15th to 16th Streets). Anyone who has driven down West Street in this area has probably noticed the “National Biscuit Company” sign on the west side of the building. I don’t know the history, but given the proximity to the Hudson River piers and access to that Holland and Lincoln Tunnels to New Jersey, it was probably a warehouse or distribution facility.

 

Like many such buildings in this far west corridor, it has almost certainly been significantly under-utilized of late. Back when the elevated Westside Highway ran above West Street (before it was closed in the 1970s because it was literally falling apart) this area was dark, noisy, dirty and dangerous. Back when the docks were in full commercial flower (until the early 1950s), this area was probably also filled with the ancillary businesses that catered to maritime commerce and sailors, including bars, flophouses and whore houses.

 

But the container cargo ships moved the commercial shipping hub across the river to New Jersey (the mob-controlled longshoreman and stevedoring unions didn’t help) in the 1950s and 1960s and the general decline of the city in the 1960s and 1970s left this far west side of Manhattan a bleak stretch between the genteel West Village and Chelsea.

 

Then the neighborhood just to the south, across 14th Street, went from being a neighborhood of wholesale meat and provisioning companies in the early 1990s to “The Meatpacking District” (in which very little grocery meat is packed, but boutiques and condos thrive) at the turn of the century.

 

Which made it easier for creeping change to creep across 14th Street, first to create the climate in which the Chelsea Market thrived, then to engulf the old National Biscuit Company building.

 

The Times article describes this building as “at the edge” of the Meatpacking District (though I would quibble that this District does not cross 14th Street; this should be part of Chelsea) and describes the nearby neighbors as including: Del Posto, CraftSteak and Morimoto restaurants; the Gansevoort Hotel; Soho House, a private club; and the Food Network (nearly all of which are above 14th Street). For Moet Hennessy, this location is ideal because it allows the sales and marketing people for their champagne, spirits and cognac brands to walk to clients.

 

But it is the unidentified near neighbors that make this area dynamic: mid-block small-scale apartment buildings just to the east on up to 22nd Street, the venerable General Theological Seminary (whose bell tower charms passersby both visibly and aurally) between Ninth and Tenth at 20th and 21st Streets, the Maritime Hotel (in a building that housed Covenant House, a social services agency, most recently but whose porthole windows hint at its history as a longshoreman’s union headquarters) and the buildings managed by the NYC Housing Authority.

 

The fragile mix of low and moderate income housing in the corridor above 14th Street west of Ninth Avenue now sits cheek by jowl to the creeping deluxe living represented by the Maritime Hotel and the new restaurants. Increasingly, bodegas, grocers and similar retail establishments struggle to afford the higher rents that the increasingly fashionable neighborhood can command.

 

The ongoing attempt by the Seminary to renovate and to raise money by building a tower have focused attention on the scale of this neighborhood, and its mix of low-income residents, "middle-class" (or its Manhattan equivalents) and high-end gentrifiers. According to The Villager, the Seminary and its business partners have scaled back to a 13 story condominium tower, which is still too tall to many residents: That fight in this dynamic neighborhood continues.

 

The Villager has run a series of articles about the Seminary plans, as well as this one “Chelsea 2025”, a brainstorming session about changes in Chelsea and its future.

 

© Sandy Mattingly 2006
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Jul. 5, 2006 - You can’t make this stuff up / condo owners rue authentic TriBeCa cobblestones

 

This one will inaugurate a new category ‘Truth IS Stranger…”.

 

Maybe they didn’t get the memo

One would assume that people move to TriBeCa, in part, because they appreciate that the neighborhood looks different from most residential neighborhoods in Manhattan. One would also assume that the folks who bought loft condominiums at 44 Laight St noticed that about 75 feet of the street in front of their building is cobblestone.

 

One might be wrong.

 

44 Laight Street is an 18 unit condo converted in 2004 from a hundred year old warehouse. Half the lofts in the building are more than 3500 square feet and there seem to have been 4 sales this year from $3 million-plus to almost $5 million.

 

(photo from the Tribeca Trib on-line)

 

If this does not work. you’ll have to scroll down through the July 2006 on-line issue of The TriBeCa Trib for the story (http://www.tribecatrib.com/) of the petition to have cobblestones removed in the Tribeca North historic district presented to Community Board 1.

 

“CB1’s Landmarks Committee, whose members include many longtime residents who consider the north section of the neighborhood to be the last unspoiled territory in Tribeca. Here, the cobblestones are protected and enjoy near-sacred status”

 

On the one hand, there are not many cobblestone streets left, and the survivors reflect the area’s distinctive mercantile and (relatively) ancient heritage. . On the other hand, cobblestones can be hard to walk on (even in flat shoes, and worse when wet or icy), and are much harder to push a stroller on than other surfaces. The situation for 44 Laight Street residents is made worse by the fact that there is no curb and no sidewalk in front of the building.

 

But these relative newcomers picked on the wrong sacred cow.

 

No mace at meetings

Neither the author of the article nor the CB1 Committee was sympathetic to the petition. The condo petitioner “may well have suffered far worse abuse had all of the [Landmarks] committee members been in attendance”, says the author, who proves it by quoting one committee member that if another member had been there “[the absent member] would have sprayed mace in your face”.

 

No telling if the condo representative appreciated what he missed, but they may persist in their request. CB1 had only an advisory role on this issue, since the authority to approve a change in the street composition rests with Landmarks Preservation Commission. An LPC official was quoted as saying that the condo has been in communication with the condo owners about possible alternatives that could pass muster.

 

When is a cobblestone not a cobblestone?

But they are not likely to be holding their breath at 44 Laight Street about getting a more stroller-friendly, heel-friendly surface.

“They need to seek our guidance as to what it is going to look like,” [the LPC official] said. And what might an acceptable solution look like?
“Cobblestones,” she said, “made of concrete.”

I would not want to push a stroller on concrete cobblestones, or walk on icy cobblestones, no matter what they were made of. Nor would I want to consider what a “concrete cobblestone” should properly be called. Odds are that the folks at 44 Laight Street won't have to do any of these things, either.

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