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RE: Emergency Meeting - Triangle Ranch Sept. 27
Nona, In answer to your question, I was unable to...
RE: Emergency Meeting - Triangle Ranch Sept. 27
November 27, 07 Los Angeles County Board of Supe...
RE: Emergency Meeting - Triangle Ranch Sept. 27
Hi Larry, WHAT are you talking about? I have don...
RE: Emergency Meeting - Triangle Ranch Sept. 27
Nona, While I was quite surprised by many aspects...

Emergency Meeting - Triangle Ranch Sept. 27

Oct. 1, 2007

I almost missed this myself. This past Thursday night in the Malibou Lake Clubhouse we had what amounted to a pep rally to raise money for a lawsuit against Los Angeles County for approving Sage Developments plan to build out Triangle Ranch. I heard about it the week before the meeting from Colleen Holmes, president of Cornell Preservation Organization. I tried to get the word out in Neigh...borhood News yet alas, the Post Office didn't cooperate by delivering in time. My apologies.

The lawsuit will cost upwards of $150,000. That's doesn't seem like that much if you break it down - 300 people at $500 each to protect the future of the scenic 300+ acres between Cornell and Kanan, home to Medea Creek, home to hiking and horse-back riding trails, home to Ladyface Mountain - gateway to the Pacific Ocean.

Kudos to the family who pledged $5000. I can't remember his name, but he formed SAVE TRIANGLE RANCH, inc. which has non-profit status. Contributions made out to that organization are tax deductible. CPO will be getting their 501c3 license in a week or 2. I know firsthand what a hassle and expense it is to incorporate as a non-profit organization as I did it for Friends of Old Agoura Park back in 1993. What a joke! A couple of thousand dollars could have gone to the 4H SCHOLARSHIP FUND, instead of for filing fees, taxes, and attorneys. I digress...

I pledged $1000 to the legal fund against Sage Development.

I was concerned that after contributing $400 to the Old Agoura HOA to mount a defense against Heschel, that the money would not amount to enough to do the job. By making a pledge, I would hope that unless enough pledges are amassed, my money would not be collected. Old Agoura did not have enough to file a lawsuit. Also, the attorney, Frank Angel, and the Old Agoura HOA president, Jess Thomas, stressed how the Heschel project did not conform with the guidelines, or the philosophy of the North Area Plan. As Zev Yaroslavsky put it, the HOA was "barking up the wrong tree" as he read the text of the North Area Plan - where it listed acceptable projects to include schools! Bottom line, when you are given only 3 minutes in a public hearing venue to summarize your case - for all the money that's spent, it would be nice to be better prepared! The Triangle Ranch opponents can learn from Old Agoura's mistakes and point out the specific passages in the North Area Plan that render the Sage Development project illegal.

I feel more passionate about opposing Triangle Ranch. Truth be told, I never was opposed to Heschel, provided that they have their own entrance off 101 freeway rather than Palo Comado Drive. I personally would rather have a school there than large estate homes or McMansions. It's so hard for developers to get it right and build what is most needed. We have enough huge homes already. We can use more good schools. I was asked to testify that Heschel would reduce property values in Old Agoura. Can't do that when I suppose just as many folks would move TO the area because the school is there. But the traffic situation MUST be addressed.

More ramblings later...

User Comments

1. Who's $%*&! idea was it to raise the Driver Ave. speed limit??!

Written by: Hailey Parrott
Oct. 13, 2007

The speed limit on Driver Ave is now 35 miles per hour instead of the previous 30 mph limit.  This is preposterous!

I was told the reason behind the increase is that too many people were speeding on Driver.  There is some kind of ordinance that says if everyone is breaking the speed limit - it must not be a reasonable limit.   

I won't comment on the absurdity of THAT particular law  However,  in an equestrian community, special circumstances MUST apply! 

I was riding my horse from my house on Lewis Lane, and I turned right onto the Driver bridle path.  Before I entered the Bridle Path, my horse spooked and jumped sideways onto Driver, in front of oncoming traffic!   After a close call with a car,  I was chillingly reminded of the new speed limit and wanted to scream!

Get real folks... do we need a fatality before the speed limit is rolled back to a barely acceptable 30MPH?

 

2. Ad in the ACORN - Back yard boarding

Written by: Nona Green
Oct. 22, 2007

A picture of a ramshackle barn and bent pipe stall appears in the ACORN newspaper with the caption "Back Yard boarding isn't pretty". 

Someone evidently has an ax to grind.  The ad was an insult to all horse people.  It was also an elitist comment about those who have less than the writer.  Very inflammatory.  The ad went on to warn people that their community may look like Chatsworth if commercial horse boarding is allowed in the Santa Monica Mountains.   Maybe the writer should apologize to the people of Chatsworth for posting this ad.

I figure some folks are prideful.  Maybe they are living like kings on the property they inherited without having to make ends meet while some of us need to board a horse or two to help pay the mortgage since horse property takes a kings ransom to buy these days.  That is no excuse to disparage the less fortunate.

Anyway, I smell an ulterior motive....  anyone have an idea what the writer has to gain by her inflammatory ad?

 

3. Recreation and Equestrian Coalition "REC" Annual Ride

Written by: Nona Green
Oct. 23, 2007

A 92 horse posse returned from their ride to enjoy Calamigos ranch famous ribs, corn, and sides.

Silent Auction and raffle also raised money for the organization which fights for the rights of horses in the /Santa Monica Mountains.

Ruth Gerson,  the chairperson of REC, hosted the event.  One of REC latest accomplishments was to insist the country require maintenance of riding trails trough the proposed Triangle Ranch development in the unincorporated area between Cornell and Kanan Rd.s south of the 101 fwy.

 

4. RE: Emergency Meeting - Triangle Ranch Sept. 27

Written by: Larry Brown
Nov. 20, 2007

Nona,

While I was quite surprised by many aspects of your blog position on Heschel, I would point out that your comment on Frank Angel being "ill prepared" is factually incorrect. The text of the North Area Plan DOES NOT make exception for "a school" but rather ONLY "a local school" which Heschel clearly is not. Heschel students come from Malibu to Santa Clarita and all over the San Fernando and Simi Valleys and as such it is not accurate to call it anything but a "regional facility". 

You might also consider those who would be "thrown under the bus" who are within view of the campus which will require bright lights at all hours, massive parking etc. While we might not "need" more homes, the 14, five acre "ranchettes" which are what the property is zoned for would generate "max 150" cars as opposed to Heschel's soft peddled figure of 2,700 which relies on unenforceable promises to carpool etc.

I think you might want to rethink some of these positions if you care as much as I think you do about Old Agoura remaining an equestrian community.

Sincerely,

Larry

5. RE: Emergency Meeting - Triangle Ranch Sept. 27

Written by: Nona
Nov. 28, 2007

Hi Larry,

WHAT are you talking about?

I have done as much work as anyone to thwart Heschel's plans to build behind Chesebro I strongly oppose.  I have testified at the LA Planning commission public hearing downtown against Heschel's said plans.  I have written NUMEROUS articles for public distribution that express the many negative consequences of building the school on that site.  I have paid every contribution to the legal fund that was asked of me.  My position has not changed since day one! 

Please do not continue to twist my words and take them out of context.  It's harmful.

I choose to believe you simply made a mistake and misunderstood me in spite of my clarity.  The alternative is a maliciousness on your part.  Correct me if I'm wrong but I have never stepped on YOUR toes. Even your preceding e-mail asking me to 'rethink' my position seems to part of a smear campaign - like the headline news:  Politician denies wrongdoing - when there was never even the slightest wrongdoing, just so the public will BECOME suspicious.

So Larry - what gives?

Yours, Nona

P.S.   Were you at the hearing that preceded the granting of Heschel's C.U.P.?  I didn't think so.  I realize that Zev was quite the bulldog, bordering on disrespectful to Mayor Kuperberg and Frank Angel.  Regardless, Frank's testimony left a big whole that Zev managed to stick his fist through.  Read the transcript and you may find the part in the hearing that I am referring to.  Frank may have done his homework, yet his presentation left something to be desired.  I also believe that no matter how stellar the presentation, there was nary a chance that Zev would nix Heschel's plans.

NG

 

 

6. RE: Emergency Meeting - Triangle Ranch Sept. 27

Written by: Nona Green
Nov. 28, 2007

November 27, 07

Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors granted a Conditional Use Permit to Heschel West Day School to build a campus behind Chesebro Rd. just outside the Old Agoura boundary. 

Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky posed 29 conditions on the approval, including that Heschel come up with an emergency evacuation plan that meets with Fire Dept. approval and a traffic mitigation plan (either a signal or a round-a-bout, that meets with Agoura Hills Public Works and CAL TRANS approval.

The Old Agoura Homeowners Association, in a meeting prior to the hearing, in anticipation of LACBoS decision, asked for $100,000 ($250 from each resident) to file a lawsuit against the County. 

QUESTION? Is it possible that Heschel will not be able to meet the conditions?  It doesn't seem likely that anything they come up with , short of maintaining a fleet of helicopters at the ready in case of a fire, will prevent gridlock at the gate of Old Agoura in a mandatory evacuation situation like the one that happened two years ago.  Old Agoura's only hope would be that the evacuation happens when school is not in attendance.

Agoura Hills Engineering department would have to approve the construction of an access road.  That may prove to be an insurmountable obstacle given the existing limits imposed on residential property such as a maximum of 6 feet for retaining walls, etc. 

My point is - maybe prior to an expensive lawsuit, first the city can tell us how the new school won't see the light of day.

7. RE: Emergency Meeting - Triangle Ranch Sept. 27

Written by: Larry Brown
Dec. 3, 2007

Nona,

In answer to your question, I was unable to attend the last Heschel hearing downtown because my Mother in Law who lives with us was released from the hospital the day before the hearing and could not be left alone. You will please note that it is the first and only of the many hearings that have been held downtown or otherwise that I have been unable to attend in the many years that this has been transpiring.

I have always considered you a friend, no, you have never "stepped on my toes" whatever that means, and I always presumed that you were opposed to the construction of the Heschel School on the proposed site which is exactly why I was perplexed by your comments.

I do not believe I "interpreted OR misinterpreted anything and/or took anything "out of context".  If you meant to say something other than what you posted I am glad to give you the benefit of that doubt too, however what was posted there (and I will copy and paste it from your own blog so that nothing is open to interpretation or out of context ) is the following:

 "Truth be told, I never was opposed to Heschel, provided that they have their own entrance off 101 freeway rather than Palo Comado Drive. I personally would rather have a school there than large estate homes or McMansions."

If I'm not mistaken it says in your own words you would rather have a school there than the 14 homes it is zoned for. It does not say "I would support Heschel in a different location" which of course I think we would all do, but rather specifically that you would prefer a school in the currently proposed location as long as they entered from the 101. This means that the first row of homes on Chesebro and Colodny would be looking at a 30 foot berm with two story buildings on it and that the pristine valley  behind homes would be filled. Again, I do not know how else the above copy and paste in your own words can be interpreted to mean anything but what they state.

The other part of the post that I commented on was the following and again, I copy and paste from your own blog:

As Zev Yaroslavsky put it, the HOA was "barking up the wrong tree" as he read the text of the North Area Plan - where it listed acceptable projects to include schools! Bottom line, when you are given only 3 minutes in a public hearing venue to summarize your case - for all the money that's spent, it would be nice to be better prepared!

If I am misinterpreting that statement I will be the first to apologize however the comment about Zev saying that "the HOA was barking up the wrong tree and "the NAP permitting a school" would seem to endorse the accuracy of that comment in that it suggests  "the HOA was unprepared" rather than simply not allowed to rebut.  As I understand it, the NAP does not even state that a LOCAL school is allowed but only that a local school would be eligible for consideration and again, one can hardly call Heschel "a local school" when their entire appeal has been on behalf of "the broader community" which as we all know refers to "the Jewish community" from the entire region as only a tiny percentage of their students come from Agoura while most come from everyplace from Malibu to Santa Clarita.  The perceived  "needs of the broader community"  was a redundant theme at all of the hearings along with statements that we are "the fastest growing Jewish community in North America" etc. I would point out that "BROADER IS THE ANTITHESIS OF LOCAL".

It is not my intention to be in any way malicious however it is my aim to use every means at my disposal to stop the Heschel School or any other school from being built on that site, therefore the accuracy of your blog was of great concern to me and those who brought it to my attention.

Again, I am sorry if this caused any discomfort and nobody has to pay attention to my words. I would encourage anyone who believes I am being malicious to read the blog for themselves and they can "interpret" what is stated therein for themselves.

Sincerely,

Larry Brown

8. Mansionization Law

Written by: An Old Agoura Resident
Mar. 17, 2008
Attention Old Agoura
 
The Agoura City Planning Commission is proposing a new law that would severely restrict the square footage of homes in Old Agoura. These new rules will apply to new construction AND renovation/remodel. This action called: “Floor Area Restriction” proposes to limit to 25% structure coverage on any lot. For example: the new laws would limit a one acre lot to 5200 square feet to include living areas, garage, pools, sports courts and covered patio or gazebo areas.
 
They are calling it a “Mansionazation Law,” which is misleading, so but please do the math: An average backyard pool covers 1000 square feet. An average garage (which is included in the calculation) covers 800 square feet. Therefore, if your house itself exceeds 3200 square feet, you would not be able to obtain a permit to build a pool. This is on a one acre lot. Reduce the size of the lot and your ability to develop your property shrinks accordingly. Increase the size above an acre and your ability to adjust your property to your needs increases only marginally.
 
Old Agoura is an equestrian area. Many of us live here for that reason. Preserving space to raise horses is important. However, the market value of our homes are at critical risk here. Further laws, on top of the already restrictive zoning in Agoura would only serve to make our real estate values plummet in an already troubled market. When the market eventually recovers, these restrictions would only serve to make our property values lag behind the area median prices.
 
Please educate yourself. Go to www.oldagoura.org and click on the “proposed zoning changes” on the right hand side of the page. If you agree, that this action is not well thought out and will create spiraling devaluation, please let the city planners know you oppose it.
 
This proposed law will make new building in Old Agoura a thing of the past, but more importantly: it will make it impossible to do any renovations or remodels on homes we have already invested our lives in. More than anything positive FAR attempts to accomplish, these new codes will punish the existing home owners of Old Agoura and devalue our property.

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