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Feb. 13, 2006 - Dear Mr. "Zillow",

 As you may or may not know, I emailed you guys a couple of weeks before you unveiled your product to suggest that you consult at least one real estate expert, before going public.  I further suggested that since I have sold real estate in five states from coast to coast, that I might be able to help you tweak your product before its unveiling.  I feel very badly that some are poking fun at your great real estate adventure, by coining the phrase Youve been ZILLOWED! 

Here are a  couple of tips for you,.  If you modify your application of data according to these guidelines, you will likely increase the reliability of your online Zestimate by as much as 50%. 

Seattle area:  Yes, you can value property fairly accurately using the tax data in the Seattle area.  But the first step is to determine the appropriate factor.  Many will value out at between 1.2 and 1.4 times the assessed value.  Hot areas, like downtown Kirkland or parts of Queen Anne, etc will value at 1.5 to 1.6 times assessed value.  Dont take the comps out too far, keep your radius small.  Stay as close to the subject property as possible and STOP when you have 5-8 comps after throwing out the High and the Low.  DONT average the sale price of the comps one to another to determine the value of the subject property.  DONT use price per square foot as a guide.  Take each sale price and divide by THAT SAME PROPERTYS assessed value to come up with the factor.  If all of the properties in that neighborhood sold at 1.44 times assessed value, then your ZESTIMATE should be 1.44 times the assessed value of the subject property. You can average the factor, but not the price.  Then use a range.  Chuck the high and the low, the way I learned in grade school from the good Catholic sisters who taught me well. 

Example: Data equals 1.8, 1.4, 1.42, 1.43, 1.44, 1.44, 1.45, 1.47, 1.1 

Throw out 1.8 and 1.1. as the high is a massive remodel and the low is a fixer.  Factor becomes 1.4357142.  Assessed value of subject property is $313,000.  Zestimate is $449,378.54 or between $438,200 and $460,110. 

When inputting tax data, do not overlook the effective year built.  Currently your program is not noticing that very important date, and reverting to the original year built, throwing the numbers way off on 80% remodels.  You can use the 1.8 and 1.1 in the sample above by saying Your home is valued at between $438,200 and $460,110.  If you have just remodeled the interior, the price might be as high as $563,400 (1.8 X $313,000).  If it is a fixer it may be as low as $344,300 (1.1 X $313,000).  

For Seattle area, always use the assessed value of the subject property against the neighborhood factor. 

Briefly, for Los Angeles beach areas:  DO use price per square foot, as by and large that area does not have underground basements and the tax assessment increases to sale price every time a property sells (unlike Seattle and many other areas).

 Florida: Do use price per square foot and keep the comps apples to apples.  Watch the lakes.  Price properties on lakes against other property on the lake and interior against interior.  You are already OK in FL for the most part, so you can leave that alone. 

PA, NJ and most of the Northeast of the country, keep the radius short and use price per square foot.  Then find and apply the neighborhood factor and average the two answers. 

Hope that helps you , Mr. "Zillow". 

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Feb. 15, 2006 - Florida

Posted by Greg DiSisto
They were "ok" here in Broward County, Florida. I'm guessing it's because our market has been so active that there are LOTS of comps recorded in the county records. However, the one's I checked, although "ok" were still off by 20 to 50 thousand dollars, usually high. In the current Buyer's Market, if sellers rely on these numbers to choose a price, I'm afraid their properties will sit much longer than they would otherwise.

This is a case where "ok" is not good enough, I think.
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Feb. 15, 2006 - Prior Art, Z patents public domain

Posted by Peter Macdonald
I wonder if a well financed company like "Z", can patent the algorythms and/or online presentation of a home price estimating method.

I've been using the general home price estimation method of comparing sales prices to assessments for about ten years now and it is a good one for NJ. It is especially good if you integrate the geocoded address data base with the tax data base with the available historical sales data and home descriptions (the county calls it an "equalization ratio").

Put it all in a big database then define the queries and write a nicely formatted home pricing evaluation report that can pull up all of the details about the propertes that are included etc. Distribute it via a blog or RSS subscription etc.

A company might like to add some more functionality, then create a nice user interface with a form to enter the parameters that ask the right questions about property valuation. Provide a web form where users can enter a quality rating for their house. Probably would want to map it. Then advertise and distribute it.

If you express these ideas publicly is that enough prior art to to keep it in the public domain? Has enough been said now publicly, to create "prior art"?

Peter Macdonald WWW.RealEstateFact.com




Edited by TrueFact on February 15, 2006 at 8:45 am
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Feb. 15, 2006 - Seattle Real Estate Blog

Posted by ARDELL DellaLoggia
Hi Peter,

Some great comments there. Will have to run that by the techie boys at RainCityGuide.com
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Feb. 15, 2006 - HomePriceEstimator.Com

Posted by Peter Macdonald
Patent the "HomePriceEstimator", distribute it via a blog or RSS feed.

Hmm! Hey! Ding! Ding! Wait a minute. I think that I'll check to see if that domain name is available.

Peter Macdonald WWW.RealEstateFact.Com

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Feb. 15, 2006 - I'll be damned!

Posted by Peter Macdonald
Can you imagine that! "HomePriceEstimator" was an available domain name.

"So what!" you might ask.

I'm not telling and don't read my previous post "Prior Art, Z, patents, public domain"

Peter Macdonald WWW.RealEstateFact.Com
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Feb. 15, 2006 - Home Value Estimator

Posted by Anonymous
Well you can have that one, Peter.

I don't need all of the Zillow Challengers emailing me about their mother's home value in Pokipsee! LOL

Not a Jedi wannabee!

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Feb. 15, 2006 - Ho-Ho-Kus.HomePriceEstimator.Com

Posted by Anonymous
Right! I agree. Poughkeepsie's out of my territory. I think that I only want prospects interested in homes for sale in my Northern NJ area. I'd be slow to hand out actual addresses too. Seems like that might be a good reason to get in touch with me.

I'd tailor my new HomePriceEstimator to send prospects that want Ho-Ho-Kus NJ to WWW.RealEstateFact.Com.

Peter Macdonald
WWW.HomeEstimator.Com (a bit premature)
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Feb. 15, 2006 - There is a glitch

Posted by Peter Macdonald
There is a an error in the blog software. I just posted a comment that indicates that my commnet was posted by "Anonymous". It should have shown "TrueFact". I posted it from http://www.realtownblogs.com/entry.php?u=Ardell&e_id=2035

Peter Macdonald
WWW.RealEstateFact.Com
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Feb. 15, 2006 - Peter is NOT anonymous

Posted by Anonymous
Don't be offended Peter.

My last comment to you posted as anonymous too...and it's MY blog! LOL
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